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FrettedSynth · Post by **FrettedSynth** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:10 pm

Max el Belga wrote: I'll try your new baby later, the queen of the house has other plans for me right now !

PS : If you tell me how to get the right sound out of my wife, I'll tell you how to get the right sound out of an AmpSim... Deal ?

Been married 19 years, Still havent figured that one out either? Did get two beautiful daughters out of the deal though

Hope you like the sim?
Fretted Synth

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:47 pm

I find all replies helpfull The one thing I have found with guitar players is they all want something a bit different? After 30 years working with many guitar players, I have heard many of them say "most guitar players don't know good tone? There tone sucks ass"
That to me is the hardest thing for all amp designers to beat? Will there ever be the holy grail of amp-sim guitar tones? I doubt it? some may find it others will will say But, But it don't do this, or that?
So I guess my next question would be? what is missing in all amp-sims for you Killvehicle? maybe the new amps will help?

I hear ya' brother!! "good" tone is in the ear of the behearer.
I had an argument with a deathmetalhead once who thought
Beck, Clapton, Page, Hendrix, SRV..etc all had shitty tone. Of
course the tones he liked sound to me like a nest of angry
bees on crack in a tin can. So yeah, it's all subjective.

One thing that for me has always been missing in ampsims
,(aside from that elusive "good" tone), is feel. A good tube
amp is more than a means to make your guitar louder and/or
more distorted. It's a musical instrument in and of itself
and responds to the nuances of your playing technique. I've
yet to find a viable replacement for my '56 Fender Vibrolux.
That being said, I own and regularly use ampsims both hard
and soft in the studio. Freeamp has a permanent home in my
VST ampsim folder!

Great Work & Thanks!!

Cheers.......CL

Max el Belga · Post by **Max el Belga** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:23 pm

I just pop in quickly to say that I can notice your experience on the field of ampsims ! I could get some good sounds out of it ! A little hungry on cpu (just beneath 30%).
I've got my little observations, but I'll come back on it later... (time !)

You've done a very good job ! Congrats !!!

I've got also 2 beautiful daughters !

Cheers,

Max... .. .

Moseph · Post by **Moseph** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:27 pm

I think I found a small issue.

I haven't done any real tweaking (just played with presets), but I can get a few of the cleaner presets to crunch/clip digitally without clipping the ADC or the DAC. I can reproduce this with a reasonable reliability.

Not all of the presets do this. Adjusting the Post Compressor helped in a lot of situations. I didn't really experience it in presets that featured a lot of distortion (maybe a bug in one of the cleaner sounding amps?).

Thanks again for the great amp sim.

FrettedSynth · Post by **FrettedSynth** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:56 pm

Moseph wrote:I think I found a small issue.

I haven't done any real tweaking (just played with presets), but I can get a few of the cleaner presets to crunch/clip digitally without clipping the ADC or the DAC.

Hello

That is because some of the clean presets use amps that can go into a clip set by the drive control or have one of the Harm's from the overdrive turned on. I made the presets that way to make use of your volume control on your guitar! Turn it down a bit for real clean rhythem stuff, and for a bit more bite for clean leads turn it up?

Was me thinking anyhow

Fretted Synth

FrettedSynth · Post by **FrettedSynth** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:00 pm

Max el Belga wrote: I've got also 2 beautiful daughters !

Do they work and test you harder then anything you have ever done before too?

Biggest thing that keeps me going in life! is those two

Fretted Synth

Max el Belga · Post by **Max el Belga** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:21 pm

FrettedSynth, I'm convinced that you know my daughters as well I do and the other way around !!!

Now I understand why/how you could make a good AmpSim ! If you survive a pair of those and still can laugh with them, then making an AmpSim is a piece of cake !!!

Strength, my good man, and if you ever need a place to hide, talk to me... .. .

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Wed May 17, 2006 12:06 am

Niksounds wrote:dai smettila !

Moseph · Post by **Moseph** » Wed May 17, 2006 2:21 am

FrettedSynth wrote:
Moseph wrote:I think I found a small issue.

I haven't done any real tweaking (just played with presets), but I can get a few of the cleaner presets to crunch/clip digitally without clipping the ADC or the DAC.
Hello

That is because some of the clean presets use amps that can go into a clip set by the drive control or have one of the Harm's from the overdrive turned on. I made the presets that way to make use of your volume control on your guitar! Turn it down a bit for real clean rhythem stuff, and for a bit more bite for clean leads turn it up?

Was me thinking anyhow
Fretted Synth

I noticed that a bit too. But I'm talking about the "bad" kind of distortion and clipping. The kind that doesn't sound like it's on purpose. I'll play with it a bit more to make sure.

btw, I really like how responsive you are to your threads here. It's nice that dev takes so much time to make sure things are going well with the plugs.

FrettedSynth · Post by **FrettedSynth** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:48 pm

Moseph wrote:
I noticed that a bit too. But I'm talking about the "bad" kind of distortion and clipping. The kind that doesn't sound like it's on purpose. I'll play with it a bit more to make sure.

btw, I really like how responsive you are to your threads here. It's nice that dev takes so much time to make sure things are going well with the plugs.

If you happen to notice this with certain components or certain settings Please let me know what they are? I tried to keep the distortions\overdrives as smooth as I could as they pass there theshold into clipping? Still some learning to do there

But it improves with each amp

Peace
Fretted Synth

FrettedSynth · Post by **FrettedSynth** » Wed May 17, 2006 6:12 pm

CapnLockheed wrote: I hear ya' brother!! "good" tone is in the ear of the behearer.
I had an argument with a deathmetalhead once who thought
Beck, Clapton, Page, Hendrix, SRV..etc all had shitty tone. Of
course the tones he liked sound to me like a nest of angry
bees on crack in a tin can. So yeah, it's all subjective.

One thing that for me has always been missing in ampsims
,(aside from that elusive "good" tone), is feel. A good tube
amp is more than a means to make your guitar louder and/or
more distorted. It's a musical instrument in and of itself
and responds to the nuances of your playing technique. I've
yet to find a viable replacement for my '56 Fender Vibrolux.
That being said, I own and regularly use ampsims both hard
and soft in the studio. Freeamp has a permanent home in my
VST ampsim folder!

Great Work & Thanks!!

Cheers.......CL

I guess if you think about it? Real amps still have no "this is the only amp to go for either" that is after what around 70 years or more of them being made?
All music stores I have ever walked into have a quite large guitar section with many guitars, amps, pedals, floorboards and a lot of other guitar related gear. So for one amp-sim to replace all amps is kind of a pipe dream, It will work for some but not all?
The "feel" thing I am begining to believe is as subjectional as the tone?

What is it when a guitar player says it don't have the feel? I am starting to think that when each player says "Feel" they speak of different things? Some dudes I have played with want outrageous gain so it sings when they touch the string (to them that is the feel) some wanted the dynamics of clean to broke up with the turn of there volume control on there guitar (to them that is the feel).
Very interesting subject to say the least? anyone who can descibe what that tone\feel is to them would help a lot in the design of this stuff, the more the better.

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:58 pm

Very interesting subject to say the least? anyone who can descibe what that tone\feel is to them would help a lot in the design of this stuff, the more the better.

I can't speak for all other guitarists just the umpteen
kabillion blues/rock players who define feel the same way
I do. You dig in and the tubes glow brighter, break up a bit
more and compress. It's the way any real tube amp behaves.
For years manufacturers have tried unsuccessfully to emulate
this behavior. Transistors, modelers, ampsims..nothing has
nailed it yet.

Cheers......CL

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:35 am

Uhmmm....I'm having problems with 1.5. I tried inserting it into a project using 1.1 just to do a comparision, and maybe replace the 1.1 instance.

The track plays fine up to the same point everytime where suddenly the audio cuts out on the track. SX3 then soon gives a "save it now" warning and hangs up.

I've never had issues with this project before - anyone else had glitches with 1.5?

guitarzan · Post by **guitarzan** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:59 am

CapnLockheed wrote:
Very interesting subject to say the least? anyone who can descibe what that tone\feel is to them would help a lot in the design of this stuff, the more the better.
I can't speak for all other guitarists just the umpteen
kabillion blues/rock players who define feel the same way
I do. You dig in and the tubes glow brighter, break up a bit
more and compress. It's the way any real tube amp behaves.
For years manufacturers have tried unsuccessfully to emulate
this behavior. Transistors, modelers, ampsims..nothing has
nailed it yet.

Cheers......CL

Try inserting GreaseTube in front of FreeAmp (or any amp sim). It gives better feel and tone - and it even has a "tube" that glows brighter when you dig in! GreaseTube is the most tube-like thing I've tried in a VST, for tone and feel.

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Thu May 18, 2006 3:11 am

It will sound better if you look at the tube.

Look into the tube..look into the tube... it sounds good...look into the tube....look into the tube....

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