u-he drum synth please!

[UncleAge]

[qAll I know is that after making something I felt was really good I moved to a stock kit in Maschine(samples of synthesis) and... it sounded really good too.

And that is my issue as well. To my ears it sounds fine. Not groundbreaking, but fine. Which means it would be a purchase solely to gain the workflow improvements the sequencer would provide. At $150, I have to think about that.

In the meantime I'm building a quick M4L patch that gives me 8 sequence lanes where I can vary the rate and length independently. It's not pretty but it works.

[pdxindy]

...Next I tried loading Zebralettes in all 8 slots (corresponding with the 8 coming out of Tremor) and ended up playing around with it for about 4-5 hours straight. I couldn't put it down. Even though I couldn't access the cool modulations built into the Tremor interface I was still getting some really great stuff coming from that rack. The kicker? For most of the time it was about 1/2 the cpu hit!

Yeah, I suspected as much. It's funny, I keep going back to the Tremor demo like a moth to a flame (that would be my CPU that's burning) I've gotten fairly at programming it to sound pretty lively compared to their poor over-compressed distort-o-rama patches (though I must say that Himalaya's recent examples are excellent). Anyway, I've gotten some really good sounds out of it...

...compared to their presets. Well, good in general too. In the grand scheme of things I'm honestly not sure if the sound coming from it is actually any better than sounds I've made in other programs (though I've never used Zebralette, better than sounds I made with hardware) or better than Microtonic. Sure, more flexible than Microtonic with their modulation scheme... but was I making sounds I liked more? Sounds that were of better aural quality? Not sure. I like the sequencer. All I know is that after making something I felt was really good I moved to a stock kit in Maschine(samples of synthesis) and... it sounded really good too.

So it is. I go back and forth. I know part of it is because I decided to not start saving for a Tempest and I "think" that I should find a substitute. Maybe Tremor is it... maybe... I already have it.

I quite like Tremor. I like the sounds and flexibility and ease of use. I like the sequencer a lot. But I don't see myself using it that much as I like Geist, its sampling and sequencing power. It is easy to sample my own presets from Zebra, Tassman, Bazille, etc etc... Sampling all my synths is a lot more synth power than just Tremor and the sequencing in Geist is more powerful. I just don't need Tremor and between my various synths, Geist, and Drum Racks, I'm set as is.

[UncleAge]

and the sequencing in Geist is more powerful.

As a Guru owner I gave Geist a demo when it came out but I have totally forgotten what the sequencer could do. In what ways does it outshine Tremor?

--btw-- this is not totally off-topic as these details could influence the outcome of things at U-he ---

[zerocrossing]

Good point. This is about U-he's drum synth. I, for one, could care less about a sequencer. Tremor's little trick is cute... I do it all day long on my Tenori-on. I think it would be more useful to just make a great sounding flexible drum synth that let you choose different synthesis styles per voice so one could do a classic subtractive VA for a bass drum but maybe use a physical modeled snare and FM high hats.

[pdxindy]

and the sequencing in Geist is more powerful.

As a Guru owner I gave Geist a demo when it came out but I have totally forgotten what the sequencer could do. In what ways does it outshine Tremor?

--btw-- this is not totally off-topic as these details could influence the outcome of things at U-he ---

In Geist there are 8 engines and each engine has 16 pads (or tracks). So Geist has 128 simultaneous sounds where Tremor has 8.

In Tremor, you have 24 patterns, but you cannot change the sounds in the patterns, so the 8 sounds is it without using multiple instances. In Geist each of the 8 engines also has 24 patterns (of 16 pads) so there are enough sounds to have different patterns with different sounds.

In Geist you also have the song mode so you can string together snapshots of the engines and selected patterns into an entire song and since you can have 128 simultaneous sounds you easily have enough material to work with. There is also the scene mode where you can trigger from your midi keyboard the different snapshots so you can improvise on the fly and record the results as well. All that goes far beyond what you can do in Tremor.

In Tremor you have the ability to make different step lengths per track in the single page (really cool). You can do that in Geist, but you need to use multiple engines which means switching pages so not as fluid and easy.

[hollo]

Happy to hear about this.

Same things like z15, i was downloading LoopAZoid again but is not working anymore,
it's looping the one shot samples.

It was so easy: just controll click on a pad to load a wav. 48 pad, 3 mute group
for hi-hats, forward and bacward playing, import-export presets to easy shering...

The filters was missing... But the Zebra filters and envelopes would be perfect
for this, plus synth drums!!! That would be great!

[AnalogModelled]

Any news about u-he's drum synth?

I've used all software drum machines and I don't like any of them.

I love u-he's ACE and DIVA so I guess a u-he drum synth could be interesting.

I guess you could take DIVA engine and turn it into a Drum machine like FXpansion have done with Tremor and DCAM (though I don't really like Tremor sound or interface).



Right now I'm considering buying the Tempest, but I still have to save a few years before I have the money

[Kees49]

@Urs: I suggest you model it after the Simmons SDS-V, that would be awesome!

[moscom_electronics]

For what it's worth, using many instances of Tyrell in Maschine slots has given me results that I liked a lot...

[Urs]

Any news about u-he's drum synth?

I wouldn't expect any news before 2013.

We're going to be 3 dev coding day and night soon, but there's still too much to do before we can even start on this...

[mcbpete]

Sorry for the necro-bump! I'm currently on a hunt for a new drum synth (synth rather than sampler) and have got myself more confused the more I've researched - fxpansion Tremor, e-phonic drumatic, Waldolf Attack, Sonic Charge µTONIC, MeldaProductions' MDrummer, Xils stiX .. ... but I'd definitely trust an Urs drum machine (bought every other synth!), so: Did anything become of this project ?!

[UncleAge]

Sorry for the necro-bump!...

Its ok, its for a good cause

[rod_zero]

After trying the new drum machine by Xils I am lusting even more for an u.he drum machine, not a single existing product is good enough (microtonic is close, interface could be better as well as maybe bring other types of synthesis).

Hope the drum machine comes after zebra3

[abstractcats]

Looking VERY forward! And yes, Zebra , can make excellent drum sounds! I've done some kicks, I should release them, I think.

[The Traveler]

but I'd definitely trust an Urs drum machine

So would I. +1