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[tony tony chopper]

don't really sound like a professional developer or project manager speaking

Cakewalk isn't making a Mac version of Sonar, and I haven't heard anyone claiming they were unprofessional.

[Toxikator]

Cakewalk isn't making a Mac version of Sonar, and I haven't heard anyone claiming they were unprofessional.

It has less to do with their lack of a Mac version and more to do with their lack of an attitude regarding a Mac version.

[Bigg John]

Steve Jobs... Who gives a shit what he likes. I was kicked out of Apple's parking lot for smoking. Security guard told me "Steve hates it when people smoke." WTF?

So Jobs is a smoking Nazi too, huh ???? ya gotta laugh

[tony tony chopper]

It has less to do with their lack of a Mac version and more to do with their lack of an attitude regarding a Mac version.

how does it even matter if you'd love or hate to do a mac version, when you simply can't?

I have absolutely no experience on mac programming, also no consideration for that snobbish computer/company, but it's just personal taste. I thanks Microsoft for giving a high priority to backwards compatibility, both as a user & as a programmer.

[Toxikator]

You sort of just proved the point, though. If you CAN'T make an FL version, then there's no reason to be pissed at you. If you say you WON'T because you can't stand working with the platform, then it a) makes you sound bitter and trollish, and b) undermines your Mac products (which is just Toxic and which you don't code, but people don't know that).

[ctmg]

Well, consider this

(1) FL Studio is written in Delphi, which Borland never bothered to make a port to Mac for.

(2) FL Studio is not written with portability in mind (maybe it is but I'll wager the guess that it isn't).

(3) Supporting Mac would require a rewrite of probably half the codebase (I'm guessing but it seems like a reasonable estimation).

Having said that, FL Studio could be ported to use the FreePascal compiler, which, afaik, IS available on other platforms (including Macintosh). However, that also requires a large effort, since it still doesn't save you from the rewrite of the MIDI In/Out, Audio In/Out, VST stuff, Authentification system, and alot of file stuff.

So yes, its possible to port FL to other platforms without requiring a complete rewrite. However, is it reasonable?

No. It is a tremendous effort, much more than the effort behind a FL Studio point release. Considering that there are far less Mac users than Windows users, its just Capitalism.

So yes, Capitalism. You live in a capitalistic country that has most likely gone through a bunch of shit to try and be a capitalistic country. So stop bothering poor Gol about it and let him spend more time giving most of us a good quality virtual studio.

[dhanjit]

So yes, its possible to port FL to other platforms without requiring a complete rewrite. However, is it reasonable?

No. It is a tremendous effort, much more than the effort behind a FL Studio point release.

So stop bothering poor Gol about it and let him spend more time giving most of us a good quality virtual studio.

+1

[Toxikator]

It's funny, though. In discussions over Delphi (most likely the rumours that it is dying/dead) Gol has said that, if anything should go wrong with Delphi, he'll probably port to FreePascal (which has a 64-bit compiler AND a Mac compiler)

[ctmg]

It's funny, though. In discussions over Delphi (most likely the rumours that it is dying/dead) Gol has said that, if anything should go wrong with Delphi, he'll probably port to FreePascal (which has a 64-bit compiler AND a Mac compiler)

Yes. He said he'll do that when he has to. But if he doesn't have to, why go through the effort? I already established that its not worth the effort for IL to make a Mac port.

[Toxikator]

I agree. Just noting that you arrived at the same language he did.

[machinesworking]

So yes, its possible to port FL to other platforms without requiring a complete rewrite. However, is it reasonable?

No. It is a tremendous effort, much more than the effort behind a FL Studio point release. Considering that there are far less Mac users than Windows users, its just Capitalism.

The "less mac users" debate simply doesn't hold up in audio software. Live is 50/50 mac/PC, so is Native instruments..... Logic had more mac users than PC users before Apple bought them..... the list of valid reasons why saying there isn't an audience for mac versions is a falsehood is long.

[ctmg]

So yes, its possible to port FL to other platforms without requiring a complete rewrite. However, is it reasonable?

No. It is a tremendous effort, much more than the effort behind a FL Studio point release. Considering that there are far less Mac users than Windows users, its just Capitalism.

The "less mac users" debate simply doesn't hold up in audio software. Live is 50/50 mac/PC, so is Native instruments..... Logic had more mac users than PC users before Apple bought them..... the list of valid reasons why saying there isn't an audience for mac versions is a falsehood is long.

You're still wrong. All the Cakewalk users (alot!), all the FL users, all the Orion users, etc. are sitting on PCs. What Mac-only hosts are there? I can only think of DP and I doubt its used as much as Sonar is.

[Toxikator]

Logic is NOW Mac-only.

[james0tucson]

Yeah, I'm sure he'll port hundreds of thousands of lines of code to a different language just for shits and giggles.

Not for shits and giggles. For entry into a relatively unexploited, fast-growing marketplace. For Money.

[james0tucson]

@james0Tuscon: It has nothing to do with how OSX and its languages work for developing new projects. The fact remains that Delphi is Windows-only and FL is written in Delphi, so compiling it for Mac means porting it to another language, which is something that I doubt he'd want to do.

The programmer in me understands this pretty much the same way Gol does, but the project manager in me sees a problem with the platform choice.