New Dance Library and New direction

[tee boy]

right, cool!

Yeah, I like your track! Thats quite cool. The Batacuda percussion stuff is always a favorite. Its difficult to find stuff to sample in that area i find. Without going to a Brazilian carnival that is!

My sound is a little more techy. I like to take those kinds of loops and do weird filtering treatments on them, and add different levels of reverb to give my beats perspective.

TB

[snooky]

but that's the point, a broad palette isn't often very useful - EDM is a very specific sounding kind of music

oh ok, EDM is a collection of genres, no?

yes - hence "music"

breakbeats sound like breakbeats, progressive house sounds like progressive house etc etc...a sample library can't and shouldn't cater for more than one genre of EDM music since quality and quantity of usable samples will be very low...usually

[snooky]

right, cool!

Yeah, I like your track! Thats quite cool. The Batacuda percussion stuff is always a favorite. Its difficult to find stuff to sample in that area i find. Without going to a Brazilian carnival that is!

My sound is a little more techy. I like to take those kinds of loops and do weird filtering treatments on them, and add different levels of reverb to give my beats perspective.

TB

ok thanks - not many loops in that track, I programmed those drums

well, it was all IMO - I do make lots of differnet styles of EDM, but I seldom use panflute in schranz, or uprightbass in minimal breakbeats...so to speak

[tee boy]

Mind if you could hook me up where Manuel mentioned something about his mastering chain? I guess there was a lot of multiband compression involved.

Haha, yeah, he didnt give too much away. I used to be a mod on his board for a while, and I remember reading something in German. He used a few EQ's, a limiter, a multiband comp. Other that would surprise you.

He obviously has a method though. Whatever he puts through that chain sounds great!

Wait wait wait. I thought you're the creator of this pack? So you kinda create the price too, don't you?

Actually, not really. I am the creator of the product, yes. But when you contract them to a dev, they pretty much take over. And Im very glad of that. I couldnt make libraries AND market / distribute / manufacture them too. I trust that the dev (if they sign it) will set a fair price.

But your estimate sounds about right Id imagine.

TB

[laputa_sync]

but that's the point, a broad palette isn't often very useful - EDM is a very specific sounding kind of music

oh ok, EDM is a collection of genres, no?

yes - hence "msuic"

then write "EDM's are each very specific sounding kinds of music"

[tee boy]

right, cool!

Yeah, I like your track! Thats quite cool. The Batacuda percussion stuff is always a favorite. Its difficult to find stuff to sample in that area i find. Without going to a Brazilian carnival that is!

My sound is a little more techy. I like to take those kinds of loops and do weird filtering treatments on them, and add different levels of reverb to give my beats perspective.

TB

ok thanks - not many loops in that track, I programmed those drums

Absolutely. But I meant that the programmed tracks later become loops, right?

Thats how I tend to work anyway. I like working with loops. I tend to program loads and mix them down for rex'ing. It makes it so quick and easy, and helps me to divide my attention better.

Do you keep your mixes entirely in pre mixed form? Or do you hard process anything?

I must admit, if I didnt hard process stuff in loops and audio tracks, Id probably never get anything finished, lol.

TB

[snooky]

right, cool!

Yeah, I like your track! Thats quite cool. The Batacuda percussion stuff is always a favorite. Its difficult to find stuff to sample in that area i find. Without going to a Brazilian carnival that is!

My sound is a little more techy. I like to take those kinds of loops and do weird filtering treatments on them, and add different levels of reverb to give my beats perspective.

TB

ok thanks - not many loops in that track, I programmed those drums

Absolutely. But I meant that the programmed tracks later become loops, right?

Thats how I tend to work anyway. I like working with loops. I tend to program loads and mix them down for rex'ing. It makes it so quick and easy, and helps me to divide my attention better.

Do you keep your mixes entirely in pre mixed form? Or do you hard process anything?

I must admit, if I didnt hard process stuff in loops and audio tracks, Id probably never get anything finished, lol.

TB

I rarley use my drums as loops since I want to be able to program fills etc - only if I use some kind of treatment may I mix them down as loops for ease of use and CPU savings

[tee boy]

You know, I find that keeping everything live makes my arrangements so complex. I dont tend to be able to concentrate enough on one individual aspect of the mix.

I really like having an entire arrangement just for one part. That way I can really put everything into it, then mix and match bits later on.

But ofcourse, it does limit what you can do. Usually I try to make any fill or variations to begin with.

TB

[CypherOne]

breakbeats sound like breakbeats, progressive house sounds like progressive house etc etc...a sample library can't and shouldn't cater for more than one genre of EDM music since quality and quantity of usable samples will be very low...usually

agreed.

[tee boy]

http://download.yousendit.com/FE7078A91CD8F230

Here, try this one.

Some of these are more prog'y, some more techy'. But there are still a few that have a retro'ish sound to them. I do like that dirty vinyl sound.

Did you hear that album by Agoria that came out a few years ago? I forget the title (doh). But it had this really cool, retro like vinyl sound to it. So often I do like to use old drum machines and vinyl samples (plus suitable processing) to get that kind of sound.

But hopefully you'll see a little more potential in these ones!

TB

[tee boy]

breakbeats sound like breakbeats, progressive house sounds like progressive house etc etc...a sample library can't and shouldn't cater for more than one genre of EDM music since quality and quantity of usable samples will be very low...usually

agreed.

You know, I really disagree on this one.

I LOVE mixing it up! Sometimes I like using a breakbeat in a trance tune, or a 4/4 prog house type beat in a rock tune. Whatever. I just think that having that flexibility of style results in some cool music.

Im not really into the hard and fast genres. Like, I remember having this huge debate over whether or not the old BXR label was techno or not. It was so daft. It was cool music, you know? It had a bit of trance, a bit of techno, a bit of house.

I really like that kind of thing. And thats the idea that Im trying to put forward with this library. Lets get away from the isolation of set genres, and make our own styles, based on our own particular tastes.

I guess this is something I loved about BT's last album - he really wasnt afraid to mix it up!

TB

[Compyfox]

Haha, yeah, he didnt give too much away. ... He used a few EQ's, a limiter, a multiband comp. Other that would surprise you.

He obviously has a method though. Whatever he puts through that chain sounds great!

So much for samples for productions that sound "good right out of the box" and where "no futher editing is needed". This is why my tracks sound so boring and "non professional".

*yup - I'm a bit against overcompressing stuff to let it sound more agressive and actually like provided "demos" - which is s bit discouraging after getting such CDs and then realizing you have to put more into into as actually advertised... hm...*


Nah seriously - I wouldn't use those CDs if they wouldn't provice a certain sound basis, but compared to Stylus loops I actually have to edit less - but maybe most sample CDs are only laid out for "overcompressed stuff" - dunno.

Well... I guess we have to wait till this thing is finished then, but I still hope that wer have a bit more control than just having preprocessed (aka reverby) loops.

[tee boy]

Indead. Well I guess people will either like it or not.

I suppose I am in many ways inviting critisism, as this product is highly self indulgent. Like I said before, its pretty muchy my trip through dance music. Iv been into so much different stuff that I thought it would be cool to make a library documenting it.

For me, I shall be using these loops in my tracks for the next year or so, no doubt. And ofcourse, I'll be do more in my spare time. Maybe in a few years I'll have a whole new collection that sounds bugger all like this one!

But for those who've been a fan of dance music, commerical and underground, over the last ten years, Im sure there will be something on here to make you smile!

TB

[tee boy]

Oh, I can say this for definate...

You do get the top loop and bottom loop for every beat. So you can easily mix kick loops with different percussion and top loops. Thats pretty much how i make beats in my tracks! So I thought it was important to lay it out like that.

But the loops that have reverb treatments on them are pressed that way. The reason for this is that the processing is all part of the sound and mix. Take it away, and the character of the beat would be lost entirely. It would be like taking about the sounds themselves!

The original perc samples will be available to work with though.

TB

[Sam@Megablastic]

I thought the demo you put up sounded pretty damn good, I would prefer an fx and no fx versions of each beat though.

I really liked the fact that the drums..although heavily compressed...did not have too much top end on. They sounded nice and warm.

A few of the sounds are dated, but for me that's a plus, I love putting in older stuff on my releases I thought from the demo I heard it would definatly be something I would buy although I hate over shuffled/swing hi hats he he, but that's just my preference.

Snooky, nice tune... not just a pretty face eh? he he