MU.LAB Beta C

[libero]

[quote="oldguy"]

#2: Set external audio to Wavosaur. Stop play transport. Clicked on audiopart file. Rightclick, select 'Edit in External Audio Editor.' Wave file opens in Wavosaur. Simply quit Wavosaur, close file.
Start play transport - Other midi and audio parts play fine, but 'edited' Audio part quits playing in MuLab. It sometime plays a quick snip but then stops. Shows OK in editors.

Can reopen and see/play silent part in Wavosaur from MuLab, but it won't play in MuLab.

Restart MuLab. Part plays great again.

This used to work fine in Luna...


Hi,
I had a similar problem yesterday but I wasn't able to repeat it.
The only difference is that, being on a mac, I just edited the file with Audio Lab, but the symptoms were the same.
Restart MuLab solved the issue.

libero

[pljones]

Start a new session.
Set the output of Rack A to Rack D. The output label reads "Rack D".
Rename Rack D to something (like "Master").
Actual result: The output label for Rack A remains "Rack D".
Expected result: The output label for a rack pointing at a renamed rack should be updated.

Collapsing any rack (thus causing a redraw) gets the labels right.

(Hey, someone's got to spot the cosmetic bits... )

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More functionally...

Cut and paste between parts seems broken. If I highlight a bunch of notes in one sequence part and hit Ctrl-X, they disappear. If I go to a different sequence part and hit Ctrl-V some of them reappear. Mmm... The part starts one bar into the session. The notes are cut from bars 1, 3 and 4 of the part. When I paste, the notes that arrive get pasted into bars 2 and 3, as if the one bar offset of the part has been lost.

[muzycian]

Hi Jo, Here's my feedback on MuLab C as a beta tester:

Bugs (duplicated more than once on my computer. - Athlon XP 2000+, XP, Presonus Firebox.)

#1: Created New Rack. Attempted to add new Synth. Selected "VST." MuLab Crashed. (Note that I had not yet added any VST in the VST Manager.) Adding VST's to the VST Manager fixes the problem, but program needs to have trap for this user error.

Fixed in beta D. Thanks!

#2: Set external audio to Wavosaur. Stop play transport. Clicked on audiopart file. Rightclick, select 'Edit in External Audio Editor.' Wave file opens in Wavosaur. Simply quit Wavosaur, close file.
Start play transport - Other midi and audio parts play fine, but 'edited' Audio part quits playing in MuLab. It sometime plays a quick snip but then stops. Shows OK in editors.

Can reopen and see/play silent part in Wavosaur from MuLab, but it won't play in MuLab.

Restart MuLab. Part plays great again.

This used to work fine in Luna...

In fact this is normal behaviour.

Because you don't edit the file in Wavosaur, mu.lab can't automatically notice a change, and so the audio file stays in "edit mode" in mu.lab, so you have to right-click in the audiolab and choose "End Editing". This will get the audiofile back in play

Documentation

#1: Need to update the user (introduction page) documentation to reflect the new feature set of MuLab free - unlimited synths and racks, but limited tracks.

Yep, right, thanks.

(BTW - I think this is the right way to go.)

Maybe, in the free version, there will come a maximum of 8 racks in a session again, still thinking on that.

Ease of Use
Come to find out that I'd been right clicking and changing the output assign mode to Event - aka, midi. It was not obvious that I was assigning the Midi output instead of the audio.
Suggest changing the Speaker symbol to a Note symbol when the Event output is selected on a rack? Add another output just for Midi at the bottom?

i think about adding an icon before the output name. taken note.

[muzycian]

Start a new session.
Set the output of Rack A to Rack D. The output label reads "Rack D".
Rename Rack D to something (like "Master").
Actual result: The output label for Rack A remains "Rack D".
Expected result: The output label for a rack pointing at a renamed rack should be updated.

Collapsing any rack (thus causing a redraw) gets the labels right.

(Hey, someone's got to spot the cosmetic bits... )

Thanks

Fixed in beta D.

More functionally...

Cut and paste between parts seems broken. If I highlight a bunch of notes in one sequence part and hit Ctrl-X, they disappear. If I go to a different sequence part and hit Ctrl-V some of them reappear. Mmm... The part starts one bar into the session. The notes are cut from bars 1, 3 and 4 of the part. When I paste, the notes that arrive get pasted into bars 2 and 3, as if the one bar offset of the part has been lost.

Just cut-pasted some notes between 2 different sequences, all notes were pasted, don't se the "some of them" problem here.

About the timing: if you cut/copy a bunch of notes, then the "reference point" is the starting note.

When pasting, they are pasted at the play position cursor.

Does this explains it?

[D-Fusion]

Easier vst preset browsing please.

When you open up the choose program and select a preset everything is ok.
But if you close it and open it up again it starts from the top again instead of continuing from the last preset you did choose (Or highlighting the last preset).

It would be much easier to browse presets if they where lined instead of 1 line scroll up and down option.

Like it is now it looks like this:

LD Moog
BS Voyager
PD Atmosphere


My thoughts (Layout):

LD Moog : BS Voyager : PD Atmosphere
LD Raw--: ----------- : --------------


And maybe make the last selected preset stand out in bold text when you reopen the choose program menu.

[D-Fusion]

If you add a Send effect in a instrument rack it works fine, but if you bring the volume all the way down on the instrument track the send effect does still make noise on that track.

[muzycian]

Easier vst preset browsing please.

When you open up the choose program and select a preset everything is ok.
But if you close it and open it up again it starts from the top again instead of continuing from the last preset you did choose (Or highlighting the last preset).

You're right.

Beta D will highlight the current program when it opens

And also a doubleclick on a program will close the vst program chooser.

And you can also close it by pressing Escape, Return or Enter.

It would be much easier to browse presets if they where lined instead of 1 line scroll up and down option.

Why would that be easier?

[muzycian]

If you add a Send effect in a instrument rack it works fine, but if you bring the volume all the way down on the instrument track the send effect does still make noise on that track.

Yep, i just noticed something similar. Will focus on it.

[D-Fusion]

Easier vst preset browsing please.

When you open up the choose program and select a preset everything is ok.
But if you close it and open it up again it starts from the top again instead of continuing from the last preset you did choose (Or highlighting the last preset).

You're right.

Beta D will highlight the current program when it opens

And also a doubleclick on a program will close the vst program chooser.

And you can also close it by pressing Escape, Return or Enter.

It would be much easier to browse presets if they where lined instead of 1 line scroll up and down option.

Why would that be easier?

Great the double click to close it was my second wish
So when this is included i don't see a need for that lined example i came up with ;

If you add a Send effect in a instrument rack it works fine, but if you bring the volume all the way down on the instrument track the send effect does still make noise on that track.

Yep, i just noticed something similar. Will focus on it.

Great
While i tried to figure out why it happened i discovered that if i took the Blue arrow, and moved it between the Instrument and the insert it worked fine.

(This is the blue arrow to the left in the rack when you expand it)

[muzycian]

Easier vst preset browsing please.

When you open up the choose program and select a preset everything is ok.
But if you close it and open it up again it starts from the top again instead of continuing from the last preset you did choose (Or highlighting the last preset).

You're right.

Beta D will highlight the current program when it opens

And also a doubleclick on a program will close the vst program chooser.

And you can also close it by pressing Escape, Return or Enter.

It would be much easier to browse presets if they where lined instead of 1 line scroll up and down option.

Why would that be easier?

Great the double click to close it was my second wish
So when this is included i don't see a need for that lined example i came up with ;

OK

If you add a Send effect in a instrument rack it works fine, but if you bring the volume all the way down on the instrument track the send effect does still make noise on that track.

Yep, i just noticed something similar. Will focus on it.

Great
While i tried to figure out why it happened i discovered that if i took the Blue arrow, and moved it between the Instrument and the insert it worked fine.

(This is the blue arrow to the left in the rack when you expand it)

Ah, yes of course: the blue arrow indicates at what point the volume, pan and mute are applied, so if you insert a send before that point, it will send audio even if the slider for that rack is down.

Anyway, i noticed a bug in the send: A send can still leak a single bit of audio even when send gain is -oo dB when you're feeding short sounds (e.g. drums) to it. Fixed in beta D.

[D-Fusion]

geat work m8
Now i am off to see if there is something else i can bother you with

[pljones]

When pasting, they are pasted at the play position cursor.
Does this explains it?

Yes -- but it doesn't make much sense to me. It's certainly surprising .

I'd have expected the reference point to be the start of the sequence being edited, always. Otherwise, I keep having to do two things: change which sequence I'm editing and change the play position. If I want to change where in a sequence the note are, I can do that easily once they're pasted by moving them left or right.

Trying to merge the two operations (move in time / paste) just seems confusing to me.

[muzycian]

When pasting, they are pasted at the play position cursor.
Does this explains it?

Yes -- but it doesn't make much sense to me. It's certainly surprising .

I'd have expected the reference point to be the start of the sequence being edited, always. Otherwise, I keep having to do two things: change which sequence I'm editing and change the play position. If I want to change where in a sequence the note are, I can do that easily once they're pasted by moving them left or right.

Trying to merge the two operations (move in time / paste) just seems confusing to me.

Mmm, i'm not convinced about your proposed way.

Because imagine working on long sequences. I want to copy-paste a couple of events from somewhere in the end to somewhere in the start.

Then i have to do a lot (it's all relative of course) of work.

Atoh, i can understand your critics on the current way.

The good thing about the current method is that you have more control.

But indeed having to stop the sequencer just to set the paste position is not ideal either, i admit.

What about defining the paste position by the position of the mouse pointer?

[libero]

Hi,

would it be very difficult to implement a vst version of mulab, so that it would be possible to load it inside another environment as a vst plug-in?

The modular section is fabulous, and it would be great to use it also inside other daws.

Unfortunately, the NI plugs still have the same mouse issue as before. Good is that now the preset selection works.
Regards,

Libero

[muzycian]

Hi,
would it be very difficult to implement a vst version of mulab, so that it would be possible to load it inside another environment as a vst plug-in?

The modular section is fabulous, and it would be great to use it also inside other daws.

Cannot answer this yet.

But stay tuned, i would say.

Unfortunately, the NI plugs still have the same mouse issue as before.

Ok, can you please give me all details again:

which plug(s)?
which version?
what is the exact problem?
is it repeatable on other systems? (if you have the possibility to check this)

Good is that now the preset selection works.