Direct Install? Still waiting.

[gizmostatic]

Thanks Kev. I actually tried that a month or so ago (whenever I got the entire Arturia suite of products) .. but major bummer, the versions I have are beyond what was reported as working. I WAS SO CLOSE!!! That was probably the last time I get to open up any type of computer for a while! It was very cool to at least get the point of where it *should* have worked, but apparently arturia changed their installer apps.

I remember reading now your observation about needing the cd for verification .. I guess it'd be a stroke of luck if they released direct install AND supported an external drive recognition on USB in the same update?

Well, I don't mind buying a new mac either

[Talk Show Host]

Ok, but you shouldn't have to do any hacking to begin with.

[Talk Show Host]

Reminder to all: Still nothing.

[Talk Show Host]

Right brain says create with Komplete 5. Left brain says direct install is still unavailable.

[deRoland]

LOL

[c3boy]

Whilst Muse are slow on getting their updates out to us, it's still a small company in the grand scheme of things. I see a lot of whining, why bother? It's not making them hurry up any more is it? If you bought a Receptor before the whole Direct Install was announced, then you have no reason to moan on about the delay in Direct Install as you bought Receptor under the present conditions at the moment and were happy to do so. Give them a chance, they are the only company offering this technology, and I'll believe the SM Audio stuff when I see it in the shops.

Chill out people.

[Curois]

What you said about buying Receptor under these conditions back then, is not true. I for one bought the receptor because it was advertised as a machine that could play my vst plugins. Unless you dig a whole lot deeper before buying it, you buy it under the assumption that there are no great exceptions to that advertisement. And not being to install your legally bought copy of NI Komplete is a great exception. I am sure Muse didn't so intentionally (I sure don't hope so at least), but they sold the product with no clear indication of the limitations of the machine. That gives us every right to whine to be honest. And secondly, there are lots of companies who DO feel compelled to change priorities if the customer base whines enough.
As an aside, I don't think anyone is whining. We're just making sure Muse doesn't forget the people who already bought the unit instead of putting the majority of manpower in installing new units with Komplete for new customers.

[c3boy]

Yes, but really there is an argument there for actually digging a bit deeper before shelling out that much money. The links to KVR and Plugorama are there on the Muse Reserach page, and I actually took the time out to go to them and discovered just what could be done and could'nt be done and made my decisions on that. There is a load of info on here and Plugorama to tell you that you CAN'T install all vst's.

I think the biggest anger point right now is this whole not being able to install Komplete yourself, yet they are installing it themselves and making money out of it. That, I agree is not really on, especially as they promised we would be able to do it a while back. I totally agree with everyones anger here and I don't have or will own Komplete.

As for Direct Install, yes they are overdue, but let's just wait until it's released. Then, if it's not working out the same way as they claim, then we can go on the warpath!

[Bryan J]

Thanks Kev. I actually tried that a month or so ago (whenever I got the entire Arturia suite of products) .. but major bummer, the versions I have are beyond what was reported as working. I WAS SO CLOSE!!! That was probably the last time I get to open up any type of computer for a while! It was very cool to at least get the point of where it *should* have worked, but apparently arturia changed their installer apps.

I remember reading now your observation about needing the cd for verification .. I guess it'd be a stroke of luck if they released direct install AND supported an external drive recognition on USB in the same update?

Well, I don't mind buying a new mac either

Hi Gizmostatic,

Sorry to hear that you've had so many problems installing the Arturia apps. I wanted to mention that I've been able to get all the non-syncrosoft Arturia apps working fine with the latest versions (I think Minimoog 1.6, Modular 2.2, CS80v 1.2)... but to do this, you might want to look at my original post for installing the Arturia apps:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=15

This method does *not* rely on the installer. You will need some time doing this, and it does involve installing to a PC first, and then copying the files and registry entries over. The first time the program loads, you'll also need to make sure you have a CD in the drive and that it's seen accordingly by the OS.

With that said, Kevin's method is much more developed, and refined than the way I originally used to hack the Arturia plugins onto the Receptor, but I did want everyone to know that the latest versions can be install if you have a PC and some patience.

Hopefully this helps ya.

Bryan J

[looneytunes]

Hi again,

Just wanted to add a few things to what Bryan was saying:

1.) If you work with Bryan's method, you will need to be very careful to:
a.) make sure that you copy all of the registry keys from a PC installation over to Receptor
b.) make sure that you have copied any other required .dlls that Arturia installs into the system folder on Receptor.

I think there is an option when you install on a PC to see a log of everything that the installer did. Using this to match keys and .dlls will make life alot easier.

2.) No matter which method you use, you will need to mess with the registry to install the updates from Arturia. For whatever reasons, these will not execute from wine, so you don't have much choice. Fortunately, if you are successful with the original installations, you will probably only need to update the registry key for the new security key.

Also - I mentioned this in my original notes, but Thanks to Bryan for trailblazing this!

Regards,
Kevin L

[gizmostatic]

Hi Gizmostatic,

Sorry to hear that you've had so many problems installing the Arturia apps. I wanted to mention that I've been able to get all the non-syncrosoft Arturia apps working fine with the latest versions

...

Hopefully this helps ya.

Bryan J

Hi Bryan, thanks for that info! I thought I remembered some other thread about it, but got focused on Kevin's solution and forgot completely. This is encouraging! I think I'd be somewhat satisfied if I could manage to get moog modular, 2600 and CS80v working on receptor. I may have purged your method from memory due to being a Mac guy at home, but now that I switched from a deskto to a PC laptop for work, perhaps I can get this to work.

At this point, however, the baby and the impending purchase of a new home will not allow this type of tinkering, and I'm sure Direct Install will be released by the time I could get to it. At least I know if DI doesn't work (and I'm not holding my breath) then I have SOME opportunity to get those VI's working before I'm too old to even bother carry a 4sp. rack w/ receptor in it to a gig.

I gotta say tho .. I'm finding a new Mac laptop a VERY tempting possibility, particularly since I really enjoy Reason 4, and can run the moog modular and arp along with the NI suite on my old G4 1.25mghz fine (some limitations, obviously) using Rax has a host. With apples 'Mainstage' or whatever it is .. it could replace receptor for everything except club gigs where I'd never bring a laptop.

gonna be an interesting summer ..

thanks again for the info,

- gizmo

[gizmostatic]

p.s. .. what version of receptor are you running, and hows the hit on the CPU for each of the synths? I'm on a Rev C with 1.25gb ram and some synths bog it down (minimonsta, memorymoon .. looking at YOU) .. want to make sure the effort is worth it!


-- to be fair, i haven't installed the latest memorymoon which is supposed to be more cpu friendly .. i very much like that synth and should do that soon ...

[Talk Show Host]

c3boy,

After dishing out $2400 on a Receptor Pro Jr. and another $700 for Komplete 5; I reserve the right to "moan" and complain. Are you insinuating that unsatisfied customers keep their mouths shut and hope things get better? Nonsense.

Muse is currently running a monopoly. (Spare me the Plugzilla [costs $3k and 256mb of RAM joke]). THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE AT THE MOMENT besides obviously running a mac or pc (then what the hell would anyone need a hardware vst player to begin with?)

The size of the company is absolutely irrelevant to me. They announced it; they need to deliver and stop false-promises.

"Give them a chance"? Ummm... are you serious? How much time must pass in order for it to qualify as a "chance" in your book? When was Komplete 4 released?

Direct install was imminent in the evolution of the product; there's NO WAY a company "as small" as Muse would be able to keep up with Receptorizing all new updates to VST plugins.

You can't seriously believe this issue just fell from the heavens like bird shit on Tuesday morning.

[richwhite9]

"Give them a chance"? Ummm... are you serious? How much time must pass in order for it to qualify as a "chance" in your book? When was Komplete 4 released?

Direct install was imminent in the evolution of the product; there's NO WAY a company "as small" as Muse would be able to keep up with Receptorizing all new updates to VST plugins.

You can't seriously believe this issue just fell from the heavens like bird shit on Tuesday morning.

Summer NAMM is two months away (June 20-22) in Nashville.

Got your plane tickets?

[Bryan J]

Whilst Muse are slow on getting their updates out to us, it's still a small company in the grand scheme of things. I see a lot of whining, why bother? It's not making them hurry up any more is it? If you bought a Receptor before the whole Direct Install was announced, then you have no reason to moan on about the delay in Direct Install as you bought Receptor under the present conditions at the moment and were happy to do so. Give them a chance, they are the only company offering this technology, and I'll believe the SM Audio stuff when I see it in the shops.

Chill out people.

I have to agree. A couple of points that people need to keep in mind are:

1. The Receptor is (more or less) on the cutting-edge. No one else has really been able to offer a comparable product at this price point. As with anything cutting-edge, every user's pet feature isn't going to always be at the top of the priority list. You want something that won't break? I'll sell you my DX7 or my Jupiter 8. But keep in mind that the magic in these instruments was entirely at the hardware level, and even something as robust as the original DX7 was released with a couple of bugs in the voice architecture's envelope generators, (only to be later resolved on in the IIFD).

2. If you spent over a $1000 based exclusively on what you read on an 8x11 magazine ad for a product with this level of sophistication, but failed to check compatibility with what you intend to use it with, then you need to learn how to research things a little more carefully. Today's world of technology belongs to the resourceful.

3. The Receptor (like any other computer) is an open-ended system. Part of the problem is that end users sometimes demand the appliance-like robustness of a closed system, while still expecting the completely flexible nature of an open ended system like The Receptor. I believe (having also done my fair share of programming) that Muse has built the Receptor with very close adherence to Steinberg's VST/VSTi spec (http://www.steinberg.net/324_1.html). I say this because I have never *not* been able to install a plugin simply because the Receptor was in some way not compatible with it due to VST or VSTi incompatibility reasons. In fact, I would say that they've developed a phenomenal host platform to playback software plugins that are also based on the same set of rules (meaning the VST spec and standard Windows API). In so far as this is the case, i would say that Muse is completely truthful and honest when they advertise that you can play your Windows VST/VSTi compatible plugins (those that adhere to Steinberg's VST spec and Windows API) on the Receptor.

With that said, the plugins that everyone has problems with are those that are usually breaking the rules, being designed outside of spec, or requiring system resources beyond those that are required for standard VST functionality or Windows API (i.e. Syncrsoft copy protection, non-standard Windows GUI dependencies, extra dll's). You have to keep in mind that there is no certification process (afaik) for VST's or VST's to determine how closely they follow spec. Anyone can release a DLL and call it a VST or VSTi. Arturia's plugins (for example) are some of my favorite to play, but for those of you who who haven't looked under the hood, the dependencies / directory file structures for patch storage / etc., get pretty ugly.

It seems to me that Muse (imho) goes to great lengths to accomodate everyone's needs. I'm thrilled with my Receptor, I use it live, and make music with it every day. While it initially took some time, all my plugins work beautifully. There's a lot of support from people on these boards, and the process will only get easier over time.

I'm sure that Muse fully appreciates the value that DirectInstall will have for both it's current userbase as well as future customers... just be patient, and recognize that the Receptor faces all the same challenges of any new technology.

Anyhow... that just my 2 cents...
Bryan J