Epik Drums: Ken Scott Collection for Infinite Player

[DocAtlas]

Can't wait for the Cinema Sessions. Got lots of drums already but still a bit sad that Mr. Peart is in BFD2 first

Well, we've neglected BFD2 so I am sure a lot of BFD users will be happy we're jumping in BIG for the first BFD kit just to let them know we are serious about doing it. The only reason it will take longer for Infinite Player is that we do updates in "batches" with NI and they have to encode it for the Kontakt Player etc. Also, for Infinite we usually do the kit AND the grooves... the grooves are EXTREMELY complex to do these mapped multi-track time-aligned Rexes (and get the producer/engineers, in this case Nick Raskulinecz who produced the last Rush album "Snakes and Arrows" to come into a top studio and do PRESETS!!!!! - we think big...). So, since BFD can only do kits and not audio grooves it makes sense that some of these kits come out sooner in that. In fact, we have Ken Scott's drummer's kits about 80% done in BFD format or more but in his case he didn't want to release them without the grooves since part of the whole thing about his title is the grooves combined with the kit... whereas with Neil's it is as well but then again THAT monster kit alone is worth the price of admission. So, each drummer and each title has different needs both technically, artistically and politically... not to mention time and resources. It is amazing all that we ARE able to get done though being still a relatively small company.

Yeah, I'm a BFD2 user who's very excited about the Neil Peart set. And for the Keith Emerson stuff, whenever that comes out. Any rough ETAs on either of those?

[Squids]

Well, we just about have the sign off on the Neil Peart kit so I am hoping some time in the next 2 months we can release that one (or January at NAMM at the latest since there's also the need to have FXpansion make an installer and all that - could take a while with them all over the globe).

Emerson material will be released in the first quarter of 2010.

[DocAtlas]

Well, we just about have the sign off on the Neil Peart kit so I am hoping some time in the next 2 months we can release that one (or January at NAMM at the latest since there's also the need to have FXpansion make an installer and all that - could take a while with them all over the globe).

Emerson material will be released in the first quarter of 2010.

Something to save my tax refund for...

[zedd]

I think you may have missed my post at the bottom of the previous page...

Hey Squidly,

I'm getting closer and closer to finishing off my Beatley album, and I sure would like to use some of those Ken Scott Magical Mystery Tour drums on a few of the songs. Any idea when this product will be available?

Is there any chance I could give you an advance payment for a preliminary beta version, or something? Even just a few short loops or an incomplete IP kit would be helpful. Please feel to send me a PM if this would be possible.

I am using assorted eSoundz drum loops and ReTank percussion in almost all of the songs already, but if I can possibly improve some of the tracks with even better snares or hats, then I'm willing to spend the time replacing some of the drum hits.

Thanks in advance!
Excited and looking forward to this and other products,

Zedd

[Squids]

Not ready for release yet Zedd! But it will be next month. Hang in there!

[Blackbyrd]

2 important questions:

1. Will the BFD version have an iMAP mapping + usual iMAP sounds like right hand/left hand, ghost notes, alternated kicks, rolls and etc? Like in OWD?

2. How much round robin/ velocities will both version have?

[Real Grooves Audio]

I'm glad to hear that you've done some of those Ringo drum sounds with Mr. Scott. I am extremely eager to acquire them, and I really hope you can give us versions of the kits with LOTS of velocity layers (on snares and toms especially) so that we can really simulate a Ringo performance.

Hey Squids.

Yea, I'm thrilled to hear this is happening as well.

I have Fab Four from East West. The drums are KILLER, but Play is (still) a bit of a mess stability wise, and requires de-installation every couple of months to keep it usable. Couple that with the fact that the velocity layers on the drums leave a lot to be desired, and you've got a niche that's screaming to be filled (and if anybody can do that, it's Squids!)

BTW, Squids, any chance that you would make that Baldwin Harpsichord available to us loyal customers who bought in on the Sampletank Vintage Group Buy last year? I remember you wanted to include the harpsichord for us, but could never find them. Anyway, the Baldwin would be much appreciated, even if you charge us a little bit to download just that one sound.

Unfortunately, even the member price on the Ken Scott package is too steep for me (especially with a baby on the way, and an Addictive Drums purchase last year), but I'll most definitely keep my eye on it as a future purchase.

Thanks again, Squids.

[Real Grooves Audio]

... how about sampling and recreating just about every instrument as they sound on the White Album? Magical Mystery Tour too. Love the piano sounds, basses, the guitars, the horns, and everything.

I'd sell some of my gear to make room for those sounds. Without a doubt.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

1. Will the BFD version have an iMAP mapping + usual iMAP sounds like right hand/left hand, ghost notes, alternated kicks, rolls and etc? Like in OWD?

BFD2 lets you to easily map any articulation to any key, so you could easily create an iMap BFD2Preset or iMap Keymap preset. In fact, you could do that with any of the BFD2 content.

[ozmoz2008]

www.sonicreality.com/kenscottcollection.php

www.epikdrums.com ...

Hey Squids this collection looks amazing, mostly knowing that Billy is in it.

Will there be a GB sometime, It's on the expensive side for just a fuss of mine, I'm not really in immediate need of drums sounds (I just have tons already), but would really love that have this one.

A GB would maybe give me the incentive needed...

Anyway it's a great release, Congradulations!

[Blackbyrd]

BFD2 lets you to easily map any articulation to any key, so you could easily create an iMap BFD2Preset or iMap Keymap preset. In fact, you could do that with any of the BFD2 content.

I presume that you are wrong. BFD kits don't have such articulations like iMAP drums, like in OWD - right and left hand hits, rolls, 4 versions of kick and all that specific. I know how the mapping works in BFD, so I can create smth like ghost notes for exp, just putting lower velocity on a sound, but not other mentioned above articulations.

[KindredSpirit]

If not a group buy then a layaway scheme

[Squids]

Berfab - I had to delete your other thread which was "inviting" that idea which is not good. The full name of the product is "EpiK DrumS: A Ken Scott Collection" which is part of a series where there's a K and an S at the end of the name and 'A Ken Scott Collection' is always part the title. I think that clarifies upfront what it is vs. anything else. Nothing else from any other company is considered a Ken Scott Collection but this. Other products may benefit from our marketing and visa versa but that does happen all the time in this small niche industry. There were several "RAW" products/companies, a bunch of "Sonic" (some even with our same font in their logo) - there's a lot of things that are close but when you see what it actually is they aren't the same thing. But look, one can make any argument about any of that I realize and I am not questioning anyone's expertise in those matters. The more important thing I wanted to bring up is that it's really not appropriate on the public forum and suggestions like that themselves could potentially be damaging. I am sure you wouldn't want that. Something like that might be more appropriate in a PM if you're concerned about it.

So, let's just leave it at that if you don't mind.

[Squids]

BFD2 lets you to easily map any articulation to any key, so you could easily create an iMap BFD2Preset or iMap Keymap preset. In fact, you could do that with any of the BFD2 content.

I presume that you are wrong. BFD kits don't have such articulations like iMAP drums, like in OWD - right and left hand hits, rolls, 4 versions of kick and all that specific. I know how the mapping works in BFD, so I can create smth like ghost notes for exp, just putting lower velocity on a sound, but not other mentioned above articulations.

It's not that BFD isn't capable of doing iMap. It is and we're doing it for Neil Peart's BFD kit. But, it is more a question of whether the sound developer of the kit captured those articulations or not. The stock sounds in BFD don't have all the same articulations as what we have and neither do the expansion libraries and third party libraries from other companies. Different approach. Upon looking into it further and talking to people on forums I have come to the conclusion that most of the BFD developers are more e-Drum oriented than keyboard drum oriented. iMap is more of a keyboard drum format (because you have more trigger notes to spread those articulations around on that you would triggering from an e-Drum kit or from GM standard). So, what we're doing that we started with Ocean Way and are now taking even further is V-Drum and other e-Drum kit oriented maps (but have a wide selection of articulations to work with from content originally made for iMap). So, we're getting better and better for e-Drummers... but at least for my tastes the iMap has always performed the most realistic and expressive drums from the keyboard and we seem to be the only ones who do iMap kits... although Toontrack is going to be supporting it as closely as they can in their technology and at least with our third party kits for BFD it will be supported (and BFD has a great remapping system to allow that).

I hope that clarifies it. I know it is a bit confusing perhaps but if you think about it and ask the right questions it'll eventually be clear. Also having the products in front of you is even more evident what we're talking about. I've often thought of doing an A/B between our iMap drums and another company's non-imap drums playing both from the keyboard so I could show what I can do with iMap vs. what I couldn't do with the other because it isn't there. However, I didn't want to trash the other company exactly... maybe I can do it with the old "no name brand" and not mention who it is. Although if you don't know who it is then you wouldn't be able to know what/who we were comparing to. Kind of tough to do. I'm also friendly with our "competitors" so I am sure they wouldn't appreciate it if we did that! If someone else did it though then at least it would be objective and impartial.

[Squids]

www.sonicreality.com/kenscottcollection.php

www.epikdrums.com ...

Hey Squids this collection looks amazing, mostly knowing that Billy is in it.

Will there be a GB sometime, It's on the expensive side for just a fuss of mine, I'm not really in immediate need of drums sounds (I just have tons already), but would really love that have this one.

A GB would maybe give me the incentive needed...

Anyway it's a great release, Congradulations!

This product is one we're really pushing with Sweetwater (in fact tonight we're doing a presentation at their theater. Ken does an amazing show about his whole career). The product is about 100 gigabytes (so too large for download). It's very high end and there are a lot of people involved. I don't think this one will ever be a group buy or at least not for a few years and even then... not sure it will qualify. Some products have to stay the same price! But it is great value considering what an ordeal it was to create something as detailed and authentic as this.

That said, we may have stereo versions of each drummer coming out later in the Drum Masters series. But that's not quite the same as having the recreated multitracks to mix with. It depends on what one's needs are. But we are moving away from having a zillion different versions for every price point because it ends up confusing people more often than not.