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Zinc · Post by **Zinc** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:00 am

So the big question I have about Copperlan is can I use it to tie MIDI apps on an iPad that use CoreMIDI to a MIDI device like the Alyseum AL-88c over a Wifi Router WITHOUT having to use an additional computer?

That is:

IOS MIDI app -> CoreMIDI -> Copperlan -> Wifi -> Wifi Router -> AL- 88c -> MIDI synthesizers?

Right now the only solution to this sort of configuration would seem to be the pending Kiss-Box RTP-MIDI products which can hook directly to a wifi router. Copperlan sounds like a better technology but if it can't hook into CoreMIDI or requires an additional computer to act as middleman, I don't see any use for it...

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Zinc

CopperPhil · Post by **CopperPhil** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:27 am

Hi,

No, because the CopperLan engine can't be installed on iOS devices due to some Apple restrictions.

However there is a solution allowing you to connect an iPad to a AL-88 without any computer: the AL-USB + iOS Camera USB accessory. It is recognized as a dual USB MIDI port by the iPad and offers CopperLan Ethernet connector on the other side.
This is needing a short configuration step, you have to create the expected virtual MIDI cables (or more complex patching, any MIDI channel can be sent to any MIDI channel on any port) between the AL-USB and AL-88 using a computer. This configuration can be saved in the AL-xx products. And then you can use a straight Ethernet cable between the AL-USB and the AL-88 (no switch, no computer).

Ok, this is a wired solution, but you can drop the AL-88 400 meters away from the iPad and you don't experience WIFI latency

Zinc · Post by **Zinc** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:37 am

Thanks, but I already have a single-midi port wired solution. All I needed the AL-88 for was the network-to-midi option that would work with a wifi router, was trying to find a way to make that wireless to CoreMidi. What I'm hoping for now is the $129 PUC about to be released. Apparently, the initial software will only do incoming MIdI and I need outgoing, but there is a planned update supposedly a few weeks later that will support Midi out. This is the solution I'm looking for as long as it really works as advertised and will actually ship. It's not Rocket Science, the Missing Link hardware was clearly capable of what I need, it's just the software is lacking. Even Raspberry-PI hardware capable of it if you add a wifi dongle, but the software to do RTP-Midi with Bonjour seems to be elusive...

pultec · Post by **pultec** » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:41 pm

Anyone know whether Copperlan will run on a new mac mini M1 with Big Sur?

pultec · Post by **pultec** » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:43 pm

Copperlan's site seems to be down.
Anyone know where Copperlan Manager can be dowwnloaded?

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:14 pm

Try wayback machine web archive (google that) for the url posted at start of this thread. You might get lucky...

Mesmerised · Post by **Mesmerised** » Tue May 23, 2023 6:14 pm

Does anyone know how to make Copperlan run on M1/M2 Mac Ventura? I have installed it on my new Mac mini M2 pro (Ventura 13.4) and it did load Rosetta and installed. Seems to run, I can see the two processes in activity monitor. But I can not set the correct network interface in CP Manager! There's a long list of virtual devices, but the internal (en0) or external (USB Bridge, in the system as en10) just won't show up in the settings list. What to do?

I have 4 Alyseum AL88c that would be very hard to replace...

CopperLAN am M2.png

Mesmerised · Post by **Mesmerised** » Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:00 am

It seems to be the case, that Copperlan is running on M1 Systems under Mac OS Ventura 13.4, but NOT on M2 (pro) systems. (as stated above) Can anyone test this on different M2 Macs? (I have a M2 pro mini)
So far nothing we tried did fix it.

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:43 am

i have an M1 iMac.. it runs without any problem, but i tried with two people with M2 Macs to get it to recognize the Ethernet-interfaces - no way.
I tried to reach out for Philippe Cailleau - who was the developer and Admin in their Forum - but no luck. On facebook he doesnt allow to be contacted and on linked in he didn't response.

Mesmerised · Post by **Mesmerised** » Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:52 am

Thank you for trying that! Too bad, the devs seem to have dropped off the edge of the earth... :-/
Probably no sense in trying to contact Alyseum about it?

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:22 am

i believe the key is to understand how the CP Manager gets this list and where it stores it.. couldn't figure this out

you can try to reach out to Alyseum.. but i think they are on vacation in June

here are all people involved.. might be worth trying to reach out for them somehow http://www.copperlan.org/index.php/about-us

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:49 am

i contacted now also François Lion on linked in .. as long as my premium membership lasts...

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:05 pm

i had the chance to test it on M2 MBP .. it works as well

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:27 pm

unfortunately it doesnt work on a M2 Mac Studio

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:17 pm

From the website:

Being non-TCP/IP based, means that there are zero configuration aspects to the network

So this is a new Ethernet protocol, and is not routable over any networks. Local segment only.

Thanks to its non-IP based Ethernet protocol, CopperLan is totally transparent to audio streaming formats.

Again, details. If it's not IP, then it's not routable, and only useful as a local interconnect on a single network segment. It's also not usable on iOS/iPad devices, as there is no access to raw Ethernet without jailbreaking. And yet you say:

Edit your plug-ins in a truly networked way
Make any existing plug-in a remotely editable plug-in

Editing can be done from any iPhone, Tablet, computer

How? If it's not an IP protocol, then you can't use it on iOS/iPadOS.

EDIT: I see your answer to this above. Via a USB bridge device. Ok. Kind of clunky. There's almost no advantage using an iPad like this since you can't use it wirelessly.

So the question is: What is this new Ethernet protocol exactly? How does it work. You are proposing that it be used alongside IP on the same network. Really need details to understand the implications of that.

Does CopperLan carry audio?

Yes and No. CopperLan is not by itself an audio format; it will usually find place alongside audio streaming formats inside their original physical link to manage the flows and control the processing of the streams.

In other words: No, CopperLAN is not an audio transport protocol. You're on your own there.

Guys, this looks like a promising project, but you really need to do a better job explaining things.