KVR Audio

cerendir · Post by **cerendir** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:48 am

Musical Gym wrote:Are there any restrictions for use of CC in general or this library in commercial music?

No, not at all. The CC license pertains to the instrument samples and how they may be distrubuted, modified etc. You may use them in in any musical projects without restriction. Credit would be nice of course but it's not a requirement.

Edit: as for "CC in general" it depends on what specific CC license is being used.

sauli · Post by **sauli** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:15 am

Only real restriction Sampling Plus has is this:

You may not use this work to advertise for or promote anything but the work you create from it.

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:59 pm

great, thanks guys

LXNDR1 · Post by **LXNDR1** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:40 pm

looks like Mattias's site has disappeared, a parked domain page instead
and seeding didn't work for me today

anyway, going through the patches i spotted a unallocated key, b4, in a solo Bassoon patch, so i dollied up the sfz file

Woodwinds - Bassoon Solo.sfz

cerendir · Post by **cerendir** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:22 pm

LXNDR1 wrote:looks like Mattias's site has disappeared, a parked domain page instead
and seeding didn't work for me today

Yup, the domain renewal bill had slipped under my radar. The site should be back up in a day or two. Sorry for the inconvenience.

LXNDR1 wrote:anyway, going through the patches i spotted a unallocated key, b4, in a solo Bassoon patch, so i dollied up the sfz file

Woodwinds - Bassoon Solo.sfz

Thanks for spotting that, will fix it for the next release!

pneuman · Post by **pneuman** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:50 pm

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Thanks for your awesome work on this

Hopefully your site will be back online soon!

I've been testing on Linux, using an app called LinuxSampler which has SFZ support, and while many of the .sfz files work fine, probably about half of them fail to load. The problem is that filesystems on Linux are case-sensitive, and in those files, the sample filenames don't match the filenames on disk. For instance in the solo violin file, you have:

sample=samples\violin\violin-g3.wav

when the file is actually "Samples\Violin\violin-g3.wav".

Thankfully, it's an easy fix -- just change the "sample=" lines to match the filenames on disk. I've gone ahead and done this for all of the files with this issue -- the updated SFZ files are in a Zip file on my site here (this actually includes all of the SFZ files, but the ones that worked fine are unchanged):

http://wootangent.net/~lsd/music/sonatina-fixed-sfz.zip (http://wootangent.net/~lsd/music/sonatina-fixed-sfz.zip)

Hopefully you can incorporate this in to your next release, and bear this issue in mind for any further samples you add. Thanks!

cerendir · Post by **cerendir** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:05 pm

Hey pneuman, thanks for pointing this out. While I'm fully aware that Linux filesystems are case sensitive, it completely slipped my mind to make sure the paths in the sfz files were correct.

So how does SSO work in LinuxSampler? Does it handle all the opcodes? I would love to try this out myself but for some reason the LS team seem reluctant to release any new binaries, and I'm on Windows.

pneuman · Post by **pneuman** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:23 pm

It's great to hear that you're already somewhat familiar with Linux and LinuxSampler! I know of a number of Linux musicians that are very excited about your work.

LinuxSampler's SFZ support its still only in its development branch in CVS, but I've been using it for a while with other sample sets and it seems to work well -- it's mostly quite solid, performance is good, and RAM usage is low since it supports sample streaming. I haven't tested all of the SSO patches, yet, but the ones I've tried so far have all sounded good.

There's no list of opcodes that it does or doesn't support (I'm sure they're still adding more opcodes anyway), but after loading a few SSO patches, I've only seen it complain about one missing opcode: "ampeg_vel2decay". If that's an important one I'm sure I can raise it with the LinuxSampler developers.

cerendir · Post by **cerendir** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:41 pm

pneuman wrote:It's great to hear that you're already somewhat familiar with Linux and LinuxSampler!

Quite familiar, yes -- I run a Windows/Linux Mint dual boot and I've been playing around with Linux audio tools from time to time over the years. I've actually been thinking of migrating to Linux for a long time, but two things have prevented me from jumping in. First of all, Linux isn't quite "there yet" when it comes to serious music production, at least that's my impression. And secondly I have a rock solid Win XP setup that can do pretty much everything I want to do, so I really don't see any immediate need. I'm a happy REAPER user but when Ardour 3 comes out I'm going to give it a serious shot. Ardour with midi and LinuxSampler with SFZ/sf2 support -- that and a really good reverb and I would be set. One thing's for sure, I don't see Windows 7 in my future.

Only thing that worries me about moving to Linux is locking myself out of the VST market -- there's some things I just couldn't do without. :/

pneuman · Post by **pneuman** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:24 pm

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cerendir wrote:
pneuman wrote:It's great to hear that you're already somewhat familiar with Linux and LinuxSampler!
Quite familiar, yes -- I run a Windows/Linux Mint dual boot and I've been playing around with Linux audio tools from time to time over the years. I've actually been thinking of migrating to Linux for a long time, but two things have prevented me from jumping in. First of all, Linux isn't quite "there yet" when it comes to serious music production, at least that's my impression. And secondly I have a rock solid Win XP setup that can do pretty much everything I want to do, so I really don't see any immediate need. I'm a happy REAPER user but when Ardour 3 comes out I'm going to give it a serious shot. Ardour with midi and LinuxSampler with SFZ/sf2 support -- that and a really good reverb and I would be set. One thing's for sure, I don't see Windows 7 in my future.

Only thing that worries me about moving to Linux is locking myself out of the VST market -- there's some things I just couldn't do without. :/

It's a bit of a wild ride sometimes

I'm perhaps lucky that I came straight to making music under Linux, so I haven't had to worry about hardware compatibility or leaving behind VSTs that I'm already familiar with. There's not a lot in the way of softsynths, but between LinuxSampler and FluidSynth for sampled sounds and my hardware synth for electronic sounds, I'm pretty well sorted, and there's certainly enough in the way of mixing plugins (EQs, compressors, etc.) and effects to get by. Ardour is great, and the MIDI support in 3.0 is shaping up well. We now have a nice IR plugin for convolution reverb, too:

http://factorial.hu/plugins/lv2/ir (http://factorial.hu/plugins/lv2/ir)

If you ever feel the urge to try it again and have any questions, feel free to drop by the #opensourcemusicians IRC channel on irc.freenode.net; I and a bunch of likeminded Linux musicians hang out there and we always try to be as helpful as we can be.

cerendir · Post by **cerendir** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:00 am

Due to a mishap with the domain registration (I missed that it was time to renew it, now it has expired and can't be registered again for up to 90 days) the SSO site can now be found at sso.mattiaswestlund.net. So please update your bookmarks and thanks for your patience.

LXNDR1 · Post by **LXNDR1** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:57 pm

good to know it's back up against the odds

it's one of the most annoying things, the fact that a lot of times something good ends fast, here you see it, wink and it's gone for good

andrewlsummer · Post by **andrewlsummer** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:05 am

Firstly, thanks so much for all those who have worked on this great product.
Secondly, I'm very impressed by the excellent web site Mattias has produced to promote this library. So awesome job everybody.

I would love to try out this library but refuse on principal to use torrents; one as it usual use as a platform for piracy, and two, when in the past I tried using the most 'acceptable' torrent client for Windows, it defaulted to using a whole bunch of offensive domain names you'd never mention among self-respecting people!

I was wondering if it could be posted on sourceforge, download.com or archive.org, or some other free web site that allows large uploads of files?

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:39 pm

"I would love to try out this library but refuse on principal to use torrents; one as it usual use as a platform for piracy, and two, when in the past I tried using the most 'acceptable' torrent client for Windows, it defaulted to using a whole bunch of offensive domain names you'd never mention among self-respecting people!"

No offense intended, but torrents are just tools. Pirates use guns too. Are they evil or just tools--would a gun be evil if a bear was about to kill your child? Cars kill people, are they evil? Many open source programs or just very large programs (Linux anyone?) use torrents as their delivery method. Are they illegal or unethical?

If you don't download illegal material, but do download useful large programs with the technology, is the technology evil? Have you done something wrong?

I love Linux, and I have been trying many different distros out (I love how light Puppy Linux is!).

If I had something large that I wanted to openly share with everyone, I would likely use torrents too. It is a distributed service that takes the load of off the sharer's site--it makes it more likely that the sharer will share again, because the file leeching isn't hurting the sharer as much.

I'm not sure which tool you are using that gives dirty names, but that may be part of your problem. Try uTorrent. It is a great, easy-to-use tool that you may be happy with. It's the tool I use, and I don't see any dirty stuff on it.

I'm an open source advocate as you can see.

--Sean

P.S. Now back to our regularly scheduled thread....

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:41 pm

andrewlsummer wrote:I would love to try out this library but refuse on principal to use torrents; one as it usual use as a platform for piracy

Perhaps you might want to avoid the internet altogether then!

Not only is it a platform for piracy, but also a mechanism of distribution for child peadophilia, and an instrument of communication often used by terrorist organisations.

Do you really want to support a medium that enables such activites?

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