android sucks (uloops studio 'pro' review)

[polaris20]

For what it's worth, I'm a mobile enthusiast who's had Multiple WinMo, Android, WP7 devices and an iphone4, and this isn't my experience at all. I'm vastly underwhelmed by iphones. What phones did you guys have? Crippled cheap carrier versions or unlocked flagship devices? Android has only given me a fast, stable experience with functions ahead of the competition - granted, with the audio latency issue as an exception.

I'm an IT admin, who supports or has supported every version of Blackberry for the last 6 years, WinMo 5, 6, 6.5 and WinPh7, Android (Droid, Incredible, X), and now iPhones. My wife also had a Samsung Galaxy S for a couple weeks.

As such you'll have a tough time convincing me that Android isn't unstable, insecure crap. But your mileage may vary.

Interesting, people say this about Windows and now Android which is Linux lol. I find its not the OS but the users that cause trouble. I have an LG GT540, cheap as chips and have Cyanogen mod 7 on it (2.3.3) Its great fun and fully mod able. I tend to see Apple products as being locked into thier way of working which I hate with a passion.

It doesn't mean anything that it's Linux if the company doing the port of it (Google) doesn't give enough of a crap to actually secure it. Linux does not inherently mean secure.

They just now decided to get a little more serious by pulling out malicious apps off of peoples' phones and the Market. A day late and a dollar short.

[polaris20]

android sucks. for audio.

There. Fixed that for you.

This being a website dedicated to audio, I assumed it was implied.
Nevertheless, the lack of oversight in the android market is bad for audio AND everything else.

Yea but Gingerbread addresses the audio "latency" problem that has been present in Android. This is the only reason the "big name" audio apps have not ported their apps to Android. All it will take is one Nanostudio or Beatmaker and then the "IOS is better for Audio" statement won't really mean as much. Why Google waited until now to fix this considering Apple has such a strong audio app presence is beyond me. I do agree that this whole "pro audio in Android sucks" problem has gone on way to long and I am sure has lost alot of Android users but at the end of the day is any application for audio on the phone better then another application on a desktop/laptop? Its great for controllers but even sh!ty android has programs that do that. Maybe when everything is 24 bit I will look at things differently.

That's great, except that 61% of the Android phones run 2.2. Not 2.3 (the current version), 2.2. If Google were as particular with getting phones updated as Apple is, then the issue of Apple vs. Android would be a lesser issue. As it stands now, you've got people with a less-than-year old phone that'll never be able to update to Gingerbread, the version of the OS that actually fixes long-standing issues.

That's a serious problem. If Google did a better job at establishing a tight standard and letting hardware deviate only by spec, and kept the experience the same on each phone, then it'd be a far better situation than it is. Instead we get a ridiculous amount of fragmentation that hurts the platform.

I think it's got potential, but Google is irresponsible with it, in regards to both fragmentation and security.

[UltraJv]

android sucks. for audio.

There. Fixed that for you.

This being a website dedicated to audio, I assumed it was implied.
Nevertheless, the lack of oversight in the android market is bad for audio AND everything else.

Yea but Gingerbread addresses the audio "latency" problem that has been present in Android. This is the only reason the "big name" audio apps have not ported their apps to Android. All it will take is one Nanostudio or Beatmaker and then the "IOS is better for Audio" statement won't really mean as much. Why Google waited until now to fix this considering Apple has such a strong audio app presence is beyond me. I do agree that this whole "pro audio in Android sucks" problem has gone on way to long and I am sure has lost alot of Android users but at the end of the day is any application for audio on the phone better then another application on a desktop/laptop? Its great for controllers but even sh!ty android has programs that do that. Maybe when everything is 24 bit I will look at things differently.

That's great, except that 61% of the Android phones run 2.2. Not 2.3 (the current version), 2.2. If Google were as particular with getting phones updated as Apple is, then the issue of Apple vs. Android would be a lesser issue. As it stands now, you've got people with a less-than-year old phone that'll never be able to update to Gingerbread, the version of the OS that actually fixes long-standing issues.

That's a serious problem. If Google did a better job at establishing a tight standard and letting hardware deviate only by spec, and kept the experience the same on each phone, then it'd be a far better situation than it is. Instead we get a ridiculous amount of fragmentation that hurts the platform.

I think it's got potential, but Google is irresponsible with it, in regards to both fragmentation and security.

I think IOS has potential as well but Apple have way too much control over the apps and keep releasing updates that break an already broken mobile. One company geared up for business app use on thier server and it was brought to its knees by people streaming tv through iphones - thats what they are used for lol - Your facts and figures are wrong. Google have nothing to do with updating the OS for a particular device, thats down to the manufacturer. As stated earlier, almost any android device can be updated because of a group called Cyanogen. .


http://www.cyanogenmod.com/


This is something you will never see on an Apple product. Sure Apple has flashy toys but to say they are serious audio products - cmon whether its Apple or android - these are just toys lol

[polaris20]

android sucks. for audio.

There. Fixed that for you.

This being a website dedicated to audio, I assumed it was implied.
Nevertheless, the lack of oversight in the android market is bad for audio AND everything else.

Yea but Gingerbread addresses the audio "latency" problem that has been present in Android. This is the only reason the "big name" audio apps have not ported their apps to Android. All it will take is one Nanostudio or Beatmaker and then the "IOS is better for Audio" statement won't really mean as much. Why Google waited until now to fix this considering Apple has such a strong audio app presence is beyond me. I do agree that this whole "pro audio in Android sucks" problem has gone on way to long and I am sure has lost alot of Android users but at the end of the day is any application for audio on the phone better then another application on a desktop/laptop? Its great for controllers but even sh!ty android has programs that do that. Maybe when everything is 24 bit I will look at things differently.

That's great, except that 61% of the Android phones run 2.2. Not 2.3 (the current version), 2.2. If Google were as particular with getting phones updated as Apple is, then the issue of Apple vs. Android would be a lesser issue. As it stands now, you've got people with a less-than-year old phone that'll never be able to update to Gingerbread, the version of the OS that actually fixes long-standing issues.

That's a serious problem. If Google did a better job at establishing a tight standard and letting hardware deviate only by spec, and kept the experience the same on each phone, then it'd be a far better situation than it is. Instead we get a ridiculous amount of fragmentation that hurts the platform.

I think it's got potential, but Google is irresponsible with it, in regards to both fragmentation and security.

I think IOS has potential as well but Apple have way too much control over the apps and keep releasing updates that break an already broken mobile. One company geared up for business app use on thier server and it was brought to its knees by people streaming tv through iphones - thats what they are used for lol - As stated earlier, almost any android device can be updated because of a group called Cyanogen. Your facts and figures are wrong.

Actually, no they're not:

http://phandroid.com/2011/03/16/android ... -in-there/

I suggest you spend some time Googling before calling people wrong. Also, please link me the percentage of failed iOS devices after a 4.3 update. One company (who's app could have been poorly coded) is not remotely a good example.

And rooting a device to install Cyanogen is NOT an acceptable means for updating. You really expect people to do that, just so they can update the friggin' OS to what's been put out by Google? It really is irrelevant that it's the OEM's responsibility to update the phone. The end user doesn't care who's fault it is, the fact of the matter is the policies for these things were put into place by Google, and they failed. Miserably.

Apple's iOS has got more than just potential. It's a proven platform. You don't like how they lock you in? Fine, don't buy it. I certainly couldn't care less, and I'm sure Apple doesn't care either, as long as they keep selling ridiculous amounts of devices.

I also find it amusing that you point to CyanogenMod, and say you'll never see it on iOS. Did you happen to completely ignore the iOS jailbreaking community?

[UltraJv]

android sucks. for audio.

There. Fixed that for you.

This being a website dedicated to audio, I assumed it was implied.
Nevertheless, the lack of oversight in the android market is bad for audio AND everything else.

Yea but Gingerbread addresses the audio "latency" problem that has been present in Android. This is the only reason the "big name" audio apps have not ported their apps to Android. All it will take is one Nanostudio or Beatmaker and then the "IOS is better for Audio" statement won't really mean as much. Why Google waited until now to fix this considering Apple has such a strong audio app presence is beyond me. I do agree that this whole "pro audio in Android sucks" problem has gone on way to long and I am sure has lost alot of Android users but at the end of the day is any application for audio on the phone better then another application on a desktop/laptop? Its great for controllers but even sh!ty android has programs that do that. Maybe when everything is 24 bit I will look at things differently.

That's great, except that 61% of the Android phones run 2.2. Not 2.3 (the current version), 2.2. If Google were as particular with getting phones updated as Apple is, then the issue of Apple vs. Android would be a lesser issue. As it stands now, you've got people with a less-than-year old phone that'll never be able to update to Gingerbread, the version of the OS that actually fixes long-standing issues.

That's a serious problem. If Google did a better job at establishing a tight standard and letting hardware deviate only by spec, and kept the experience the same on each phone, then it'd be a far better situation than it is. Instead we get a ridiculous amount of fragmentation that hurts the platform.

I think it's got potential, but Google is irresponsible with it, in regards to both fragmentation and security.

I think IOS has potential as well but Apple have way too much control over the apps and keep releasing updates that break an already broken mobile. One company geared up for business app use on thier server and it was brought to its knees by people streaming tv through iphones - thats what they are used for lol - As stated earlier, almost any android device can be updated because of a group called Cyanogen. Your facts and figures are wrong.

Actually, no they're not:

http://phandroid.com/2011/03/16/android ... -in-there/

I suggest you spend some time Googling before calling people wrong. Also, please link me the percentage of failed iOS devices after a 4.3 update. One company (who's app could have been poorly coded) is not remotely a good example.

And rooting a device to install Cyanogen is NOT an acceptable means for updating. You really expect people to do that, just so they can update the friggin' OS to what's been put out by Google?

Apple's iOS has got more than just potential. It's a proven platform. You don't like how they lock you in? Fine, don't buy it. I certainly couldn't care less, and I'm sure Apple doesn't care either, as long as they keep selling ridiculous amounts of devices.

I will let you do the surfing on the failed updates. We both know Apple will never admit to any failure, its policy to blame the user first so asking for figures is kinda lame. Sales - Thats the whole point - its all about sales. Steve Jobs is better than Jesus at this. He even coined the idea of Marketing/sales guru lol. As for changing OS on a device - Its just fun If you own Apple, you just cant do that with it. - Jailbreaking is a minor mod. It kinda defeats your argument about a closed system though eh, whats the point in buying an iphone just to break the security? That which you hold so holy You can bet that Apple will have that plugged soon as

[polaris20]

I will let you do the surfing on the failed updates. Sales - Thats the whole point - its all about sales. Steve Jobs is better than Jesus at this. He even coined the idea of Marketing/sales guru lol. As for changing OS on a device - Its just fun If you own Apple, you just cant do that with it. - Jailbreaking is a minor mod. It kinda defeats your argumant about a closed system though eh You can bet that Apple will have that plugged soon as

You'll let me do the surfing for failed updates. Right, way to back up your claims.

And Cyanogen isn't a totally new OS either; it's based off of the open source version of Android and just adds features that Android itself doesn't include. You know, like a jailbroken iOS device.

And what was my "argument" about a closed system? It either works for you, or it doesn't. So what?

EDIT

Well done on repeatedly going back and editing your posts too. The point of jailbreaking is that for some people they want an iPhone, but want to add features that Apple does not. I don't care to, because I personally have no need. But some people enjoy that, and that's fine. Apple doesn't go out of their way to brick the phone if a jailbreak is done, like Motorola does.

It's not illegal to jailbreak a phone.

[UltraJv]

I will let you do the surfing on the failed updates. Sales - Thats the whole point - its all about sales. Steve Jobs is better than Jesus at this. He even coined the idea of Marketing/sales guru lol. As for changing OS on a device - Its just fun If you own Apple, you just cant do that with it. - Jailbreaking is a minor mod. It kinda defeats your argumant about a closed system though eh You can bet that Apple will have that plugged soon as

You'll let me do the surfing for failed updates. Right, way to back up your claims.

And Cyanogen isn't a totally new OS either; it's based off of the open source version of Android and just adds features that Android itself doesn't include. You know, like a jailbroken iOS device.

And what was my "argument" about a closed system? It either works for you, or it doesn't. So what?

EDIT

Well done on repeatedly going back and editing your posts too. The point of jailbreaking is that for some people they want an iPhone, but want to add features that Apple does not. I don't care to, because I personally have no need. But some people enjoy that, and that's fine. Apple doesn't go out of their way to brick the phone if a jailbreak is done, like Motorola does.

It's not illegal to jailbreak a phone.

I always edit my posts, not a crime is it. I guess you were so insensed at being challenged you were twitching - its a shame your so quick to respond that you dont see how youve invalidated your own position regards jaibreak on Apple lol. Android can be rooted again after update - I will leave this now as its derailed.

[polaris20]

I always edit my posts, not a crime is it. I guess you were so insensed at being challenged you were twitching - its a shame your so quick to respond that you dont see how youve invalidated your own position lol - I will leave this now as its derailed.

Incensed by what, exactly? Completely pointless posts that don't serve the thread, and have already been proven incorrect?

I'm not really challenged by someone with incredibly limited experience, factual holes, and an inability to actually back anything up with proof.

And you've yet to actually prove you even understand what my position is, and when asked to clarify, you ignore. You sir, win at the Internet.

[UltraJv]

I always edit my posts, not a crime is it. I guess you were so insensed at being challenged you were twitching - its a shame your so quick to respond that you dont see how youve invalidated your own position lol - I will leave this now as its derailed.

Incensed by what, exactly? Completely pointless posts that don't serve the thread, and have already been proven incorrect?

I'm not really challenged by someone with incredibly limited experience, factual holes, and an inability to actually back anything up with proof.

And you've yet to actually prove you even understand what my position is, and when asked to clarify, you ignore. You sir, win at the Internet.

Couldnt resist a reply here, you look after a few Blackberries etc as support. Wow, Ive been there and done that, ive also worked in Citibank and Namura bank on thier servers also Sun kit. I have a background in electronics R&D but nobody wins here, they are just opinions, yes opinions. Dont take it so seriously

[adydub]

As for changing OS on a device - Its just fun If you own Apple, you just cant do that with it. - Jailbreaking is a minor mod.

Wrong. Anybody would think you wanted to use any cheap point to bash Apple - even if the facts don't support your statements!

http://www.99cblog.com/7616/install-and ... pod-touch/

[polaris20]

I always edit my posts, not a crime is it. I guess you were so insensed at being challenged you were twitching - its a shame your so quick to respond that you dont see how youve invalidated your own position lol - I will leave this now as its derailed.

Incensed by what, exactly? Completely pointless posts that don't serve the thread, and have already been proven incorrect?

I'm not really challenged by someone with incredibly limited experience, factual holes, and an inability to actually back anything up with proof.

And you've yet to actually prove you even understand what my position is, and when asked to clarify, you ignore. You sir, win at the Internet.

Couldnt resist a reply here, you look after a few Blackberries etc as support. Wow, Ive been there and done that, ive also worked in Citibank and Namura bank on thier servers also Sun kit. I have a background in electronics R&D but nobody wins here, they are just opinions, yes opinions. Dont take it so seriously

Yippy. I've supported Sun too, as well as Red Hat, SuSe/Novell, and Debian. OS X, Windows from NT4 to present. I also support an ESX infrastructure. I can also pee farther than you, I'm fairly certain.

And I still don't care whether or not you like iOS, but rather my point was and always will be (until it changes) that Google is solely to blame for Android's fragmentation and security problems. It's a good OS, saddled by poor policy choices and lack of update efficiency. That may change someday (and perhaps is starting to, with 3.0). But until Google and the OEM's can develop a plan to get updates rolled out at the same time (or close to it) efficiently, without leaving people with 6-month old phones behind, I'll continue to stay away from it.

[The Chase]

If Google were as particular with getting phones updated as Apple is, then the issue of Apple vs. Android would be a lesser issue.

Google is only responsible for one phone (Nexus 1 or S) and they're always up to date. Why should Google ever be responsible for other manufacturer's phones that use their own ported version of the OS?

Even then, comparing updates between the two platforms isn't exactly apples-to-apples. Sure, there are phones that are stuck at 2.1, but Android 2.1 still has functions that the newest iOS doesn't have (widgets, a customizable desktop environment, real multitasking, notification pull-down, theming, live wallpapers, UI modification/replacement, a lengthy list of supported media formats, I could go on..). What's the point in getting frequent updates if you're still behind the curve?

I think it's got potential, but Google is irresponsible with it, in regards to both fragmentation and security.

"Fragmentation" is the nothing-burger buzzword of the decade. It is a scare that lingers from Unix's past, and Android is much more centralized and overlooked than what happened to Unix. Scalable, portable open operating systems with wide hardware compatibility work. If Android is fragmented, than by comparison any desktop OS is deluded by homeopathic proportions.

[polaris20]

If Google were as particular with getting phones updated as Apple is, then the issue of Apple vs. Android would be a lesser issue.

Google is only responsible for one phone (Nexus 1 or S) and they're always up to date. Why should Google ever be responsible for other manufacturer's phones that use their own ported version of the OS?

Even then, comparing updates between the two platforms isn't exactly apples-to-apples. Sure, there are phones that are stuck at 2.1, but Android 2.1 still has functions that the newest iOS doesn't have (widgets, a customizable desktop environment, real multitasking, notification pull-down, theming, live wallpapers, UI modification/replacement, a lengthy list of supported media formats, I could go on..). What's the point in getting frequent updates if you're still behind the curve?

Google should be responsible for all updates, because they're responsible for the OS. Instead they've allowed the fragmented mess that it currently is. As for being "behind the curve", that's quite relative. None of the things you list are the slightest bit important to me (nor millions of others). What IS important to me is that the battery life and stability is far better on my iPhone than my Android phone ever was, as well as any Android phone I deal with.

What Google should have done is keep a tighter lid on how the OS is presented, while still allowing for a wider variety of hardware than what Apple does. The Nexus series is just not enough. If I were to ever go back to Android, it would most definitely be a Nexus though.

"Fragmentation" is the nothing-burger buzzword of the decade. It is a scare that lingers from Unix's past, and Android is much more centralized and overlooked than what happened to Unix. Scalable, portable open operating systems with wide hardware compatibility work. If Android is fragmented, than by comparison any desktop OS is deluded by homeopathic proportions.

That's a debate that could go on forever, seeing as how there have been very relevant arguments on both sides. Game developers like Rovio say it's not a big deal. Other developers say it is a big deal.

Seeing as how some phones have glaring omissions compared to other phones, I think there is indeed fragmentation. What you may see as a benefit and freedom, I see as a disadvantage and confusion to the end user, which in my experience, it is.

[Cordelia]

I love my HTC Incredible. It's an awesome phone.
I don't plan to make music with it, though.

[polaris20]

for the people that can't grasp why I don't like Android as it stands now, and why I think it's fragmented, I'll give my personal experience with it. Not the people I support, nor even my wife's experience. Just mine.

I've got a Motorola Droid sitting right here. The stock virtual keyboard sucks compared to iOS's, and Better Keyboard is only slightly "better" than stock. Swype, IMO, is gimmicky and not a great alternative. Copy and Paste is unusable. Both of these things are crucial to me as a phone and pocket computing device, however they're severely lacking. No amount of neato widgets or changing wallpapers can fix that. I'm currently stuck on version 2.2.

Now, there's the HTC Incredible. This phone still has the keyboard I dislike, however with the "Sense" UI, HTC has fixed the default copy and paste problem.

With Android 2.3, both the keyboard AND copy and paste are largely improved, which is of course a good thing. The problem? Only 1.7% of the phones have access to it, without rooting the device.

Wifi hotspot tethering? Another feature I love, however again without rooting, it's not possible on my Droid. Droid X? Sure. Wait. They're both 2.2. Why is the feature on one, and not the other? It must be a hardware issue. No, can't be that, because Barnacle works fine with the Droid, once it's rooted.

To many, this is freedom of choice. This to me is fragmentation.

With iOS on my iPhone 4, I've got a great virtual keyboard, copy and paste that works very well, "multitasking" that doesn't suck my battery down like a fat kid sucking down a milk shake, and wifi hotspot capability that works very, very well.

Is it a walled garden? Sure, I guess. Is it stifling "freedom"? To some, sure. Do I vastly prefer it, and am happy to finally be on it? Abso-f**king-lutely.