KVR Audio

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:42 am

K-Bee wrote:
Teksonik wrote:I've owned a DX7 and I think FM Heaven comes closest to any vsti I've tried but it's still not a 100% match.
You can't match the DX7. You need the crappy digital converters and some digital grit. You can't emulate a flaw!

This explains why I no longer own my DX7 or TX7 but still own FM7/FM8/FM Heaven..........

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:42 pm

I think it's an unfair comparison because I don't think sysex data includes effects, which I'm sure the DX7 used extensively. Load a preset into FM8 & play around with the effects and I'm sure you'll get some ear-catching sounds.

zorniko · Post by **zorniko** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:09 pm

I have/had all of this (all soft, DX7mkI, DX7mkII, DX200, plus SY77)
The best way of converting is: FM7 first, then FM7 to FM8.
What's the trick? Simple: FM8 has some bugs in sysex convertion, but it reads FM7 without any problem (100% accurate).
Anyway, you must be aware that most of the DX7 patches sound old, and you will probably need to tweak them further. DX7II/TX802 or DX200 can have much more "modern" patches.
After conversion, you should slightly lower the LFOs speed in FM8 (it must be done manually).
The final result: virtualy no difference, with FM8 sounding a little better than hardware. Amazing VSTi. Nothing can compare with it.
Hexter is another story: it had potential and character, but it still misses all DX7 parameters, so the convertion is far away from the original. Still, it makes "his own" sounds, full of undescribable, FMish character. Too bad its development stopped.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:19 pm

osiris wrote:I think it's an unfair comparison because I don't think sysex data includes effects, which I'm sure the DX7 used extensively. Load a preset into FM8 & play around with the effects and I'm sure you'll get some ear-catching sounds.

Did later versions of DX7 have built-in fx? I know my mk1 doesn't; and I was really sort of disappointed when I got it home from and it didn't sound like in the store (they'd added fx, obviously).

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:19 pm

zorniko wrote:I have/had all of this (all soft, DX7mkI, DX7mkII, DX200, plus SY77)

The final result: virtualy no difference, with FM8 sounding a little better than hardware. Amazing VSTi. Nothing can compare with it.

Funny. I know all of them, so I know that 1. there is a huge difference (between all those hardware units as well), and 2. FM7/FM8 sounds like crap compared to all of them.

olepro · Post by **olepro** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:49 pm

osiris wrote:I think it's an unfair comparison because I don't think sysex data includes effects, which I'm sure the DX7 used extensively. Load a preset into FM8 & play around with the effects and I'm sure you'll get some ear-catching sounds.

DX7 had no FX section

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:43 pm

You're correct. For dome strange reason I thought Roland made them, and assumed it had fx.

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:48 pm

I think the best is Hexter

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:48 pm

MaxSynths wrote:I think the best is Hexter

It is.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:32 pm

zorniko wrote:I have/had all of this (all soft, DX7mkI, DX7mkII, DX200, plus SY77)
The best way of converting is: FM7 first, then FM7 to FM8.
What's the trick? Simple: FM8 has some bugs in sysex convertion, but it reads FM7 without any problem (100% accurate).
Anyway, you must be aware that most of the DX7 patches sound old, and you will probably need to tweak them further. DX7II/TX802 or DX200 can have much more "modern" patches.
After conversion, you should slightly lower the LFOs speed in FM8 (it must be done manually).
The final result: virtualy no difference, with FM8 sounding a little better than hardware. Amazing VSTi. Nothing can compare with it.
Hexter is another story: it had potential and character, but it still misses all DX7 parameters, so the convertion is far away from the original. Still, it makes "his own" sounds, full of undescribable, FMish character. Too bad its development stopped.

This is a very informative post. I've heard from other people who own all of them that FM7 sounded more like the hardware than FM8, but until now I didn't know why. Of course, even the MKII has a lot lower S/N ratio (noisier) than the software synths, and the DX7 is much worse still, something that's easy to take for granted today. But I have to say, I'm lovin' my new TX-802. It sounds amazing with flange and reverb, especially if like me you're interested in the "Miami" sound.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:43 pm

zorniko wrote:I have/had all of this (all soft, DX7mkI, DX7mkII, DX200, plus SY77)
The best way of converting is: FM7 first, then FM7 to FM8.
What's the trick? Simple: FM8 has some bugs in sysex convertion, but it reads FM7 without any problem (100% accurate).
Anyway, you must be aware that most of the DX7 patches sound old, and you will probably need to tweak them further. DX7II/TX802 or DX200 can have much more "modern" patches.
After conversion, you should slightly lower the LFOs speed in FM8 (it must be done manually).
The final result: virtualy no difference, with FM8 sounding a little better than hardware. Amazing VSTi. Nothing can compare with it.
Hexter is another story: it had potential and character, but it still misses all DX7 parameters, so the convertion is far away from the original. Still, it makes "his own" sounds, full of undescribable, FMish character. Too bad its development stopped.

Agree with most of that. I still have many HW Yam FM synths.

Fm7 has the best conversion. By far. And sounds the closest to the original Yam synths.

Some other FM synths are also great. I like a lot Sytrus for example though with its tiny GUI its an absolute pain in the a.. to program. Rhino has its own strenghts too, with Hyvrid synthesis and sample import etc. Or Phantom, Hexter, Toxic etc.

But if you go for the Legacy sounds, and sysex import FM7/8 are the closest.

The only thing I will slightly disagree with is that they would sound better than the HW versions. A bit different imho. And the average DAC are probaly no strangers to that. As well as additonal factors.

LtZ

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Wed May 09, 2012 1:38 pm

exactly the informations i was looking for !
kvr can be great sometime

george · Post by **george** » Thu May 10, 2012 8:59 am

Not exactly DX7 but Phantom can load Yamaha DX100, DX27 and DX21 SysEx.

http://www.discodsp.com/phantom/

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Thu May 10, 2012 9:29 am

carrieres wrote:exactly the informations i was looking for ! kvr can be great sometime

+1

bronxsound · Post by **bronxsound** » Thu May 10, 2012 9:53 am

Can OdoSynth Double Six XXL load DX7 thingies as well?

Best FM vsti can load Yamha dx7 sysex