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opus_diaboli · Post by **opus_diaboli** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:44 pm

Ingonator wrote: +1 for the Sylenth1/Dune combination...

Ingo

Well, I can't agree because they overlap in sound and features. To buy both is kind of redundant unless you don't know what to do with your money.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:04 pm

airborne wrote:
What I don't like is the fact that this is supposed to be the LennarDigital forum and no reply has been given about whether a 64bit Mac version will be released at all.
Yesterday, even Eastwest Play got 64bit. So now the majority of the plugins I own have ported to 64bit. I am not investing in something that will be useless in a full 64bit environment.

The lack of an official reply will not make me shell out any cash. I am going to buy the Virus Snow anyway at some point, but until then I wanted to have a good VA synth in my arsenal.

If development has ceased maybe then the price can drop as well. I am not paying near 200 euros for something that does not seem to develop.

Why dont you instead support developers that have an open communication with their user base, and work hard to keep them satisfied

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kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:16 pm

michi_mak wrote:
maybe because said developer hijacks every thread possible ( and even impossible ) in order to do a shameless self promotion, no?

Really? I didnt refer any names. I see real hatred in your language.

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kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:59 pm

michi_mak wrote:would you mind explaining why you edited your post about one hour after you posted and about five minutes before you replied?
and how come your sig pointing to your synth is gone all of a sudden???

Because by default the post page puts the signature by default, and I realized I left that on afterwards, so I removed my signature so as not to seem like self advertising.

Look, my point is simple, get it or not: there are hard working developers here, who have also good and open communication with their user base (U-he, Camel Audio to name a few). I advised the OP to go with such developers.

Again I'm repeating my sentense: I see real hatred in your words. Please watch your language.

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DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:00 am

airborne wrote: Sylenth right now costs 1/8 of the price of a Virus TI Snow. It's worth what it costs but it is worth nothing if it does not get updated or have proper support in my book. So I would rather save the 165 euros and throw it on a Virus TI Snow.

A few highly personal observations.

1) The Virus is honestly not so fun to work with. The presets coming with the Virus are excellent and the support from the developer is the best in business. Although I use the TI in my studio - I always find it wonky to work with. Not saying it sucks - it does not. I just (personally) don't find it inspirational.

2) Sylenth is a hell of a synth that I use about one thousand times more often than the Virus TI. Seriously. At LEAST one thousand times more. It's more direct when creating sounds and have a very very good sound.

3) Lennard is infamous for his non-communicative ways. I remember myself raving in this very forum about Sylenth dying many years ago, totally freaking out. But Sylenth is still here on my shiny new iMac - and I don't have any problems with it.

Your problem is the classic one. Hardware vs software. In the software world you are almost always f-cked. Operating systems change. Computers change. Developers come and go and cool plugs stop working on newer systems. With a hardware synth with an audio cable and midi this never happens.

If I were in your shoes - between these two - I would forget about the Virus and buy Sylenth instead. But If I could choose between anything, I would probably invest my money on a hardware synth instead - but not a Virus. Maybe a s/h Korg Monopoly or Juno 106.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:39 am

I'm not even sure how Sylenth could be "future Proofed" it works on all modern systems, it still sounds as incredible now as to the day I bought it, any nagging worries ppl had (RE: Memory leak) were dealt with.

Maybe a Sylenth XL is in development ? Who knows, but tbh, there isn't a lot you could do to Sylenth to make it that much better. Maybe some more mod options, PWM (Which is do-able anyway), maybe a few more filter options, but I don't think it would make that much difference.

Lennard made an absolute belter of a plug-in, so I hope he's enjoying himself now

And just because he doesn't speak here, doesn't mean he's not there when you need his help.

opus_diaboli · Post by **opus_diaboli** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:07 am

DrGonzo wrote: Your problem is the classic one. Hardware vs software. In the software world you are almost always f-cked. Operating systems change. Computers change. Developers come and go and cool plugs stop working on newer systems.

Well, this is very unlikely to happen. I have some older plugins and none of them stopped working when I used a new quad core system. It must be a very new system based on a completely new technology and even then you can assume that there's some kind of implemented downward compatibility.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:07 pm

opus_diaboli wrote: Well, this is very unlikely to happen

Maybe not on Windows, but it is very likely to happen for Mac OSX, thanks to Apple! Did you try to run any plugins on the new Lion operationg system for instance?

tom27 · Post by **tom27** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:55 pm

kv331 wrote:Maybe not on Windows, but it is very likely to happen for Mac OSX, thanks to Apple! Did you try to run any plugins on the new Lion operationg system for instance?

On Lion and with Logic, most all 32-bit plugins still work (I only know of very few exceptions). BUT: Lion is a 64-bit operating system and new Macs boot into 64-bit by default. This means that plugin developers have to provide 64-bit versions of their plugins in order to keep them working in the future.

That is nothing which is exclusive to Mac OS X or Apple. In fact, Windows 7 and beyond will migrated to 64-bit as well, requiring updates from developers.

As mentioned, older plugins *still* work, but only as long as DAWs come with a 32-bit brigde - or until we see a 64-bit version of Sylenth.

opus_diaboli · Post by **opus_diaboli** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:32 pm

kv331 wrote:
opus_diaboli wrote: Well, this is very unlikely to happen
Maybe not on Windows, but it is very likely to happen for Mac OSX, thanks to Apple! Did you try to run any plugins on the new Lion operationg system for instance?

Yes, that's right. One of the reasons why I don't understand why so many musicians prefer a Mac over a Windows PC. I know about a plugin developer who can't stop cursing over Mac / AU etc.

airborne · Post by **airborne** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:56 pm

DrGonzo wrote:
airborne wrote: Sylenth right now costs 1/8 of the price of a Virus TI Snow. It's worth what it costs but it is worth nothing if it does not get updated or have proper support in my book. So I would rather save the 165 euros and throw it on a Virus TI Snow.
A few highly personal observations.

1) The Virus is honestly not so fun to work with. The presets coming with the Virus are excellent and the support from the developer is the best in business. Although I use the TI in my studio - I always find it wonky to work with. Not saying it sucks - it does not. I just (personally) don't find it inspirational.

2) Sylenth is a hell of a synth that I use about one thousand times more often than the Virus TI. Seriously. At LEAST one thousand times more. It's more direct when creating sounds and have a very very good sound.

3) Lennard is infamous for his non-communicative ways. I remember myself raving in this very forum about Sylenth dying many years ago, totally freaking out. But Sylenth is still here on my shiny new iMac - and I don't have any problems with it.

Your problem is the classic one. Hardware vs software. In the software world you are almost always f-cked. Operating systems change. Computers change. Developers come and go and cool plugs stop working on newer systems. With a hardware synth with an audio cable and midi this never happens.

If I were in your shoes - between these two - I would forget about the Virus and buy Sylenth instead. But If I could choose between anything, I would probably invest my money on a hardware synth instead - but not a Virus. Maybe a s/h Korg Monopoly or Juno 106.

Hello,

just out of curiosity, how do you work on a Mac with Sylenth? It is not 64bit on Mac. Do you run a bridge or run Logic in 32bit mode? I use Cubase 6 as my DAW.
Also, why do you find Virus uninspiring ? I find it a absolutely gorgeous sounding VA synth, could you elaborate on that?

And for everyone that has took time to reply. I appreciate all your replies guys, however the lack of communication made me take my decision.

If there was a 64 bit version of Sylenth for Mac I would get it no matter what, even if Lennard responded here or not. I really do not care so much if a Sylenth 2 or XXL edition or BIG COMEBACK edition is in the makings.

I want to spend my money on a plugin that will work on a modern OS without the need of a bridge or anything else.

So, I run Cubase 6 in Windows 7 64 bit. It works.
I also run Cubase 6 in OSX. Sylenth won't work without a bridge.

So, do you get my point? If it worked and Lennard had provided a 64 bit version on both OS's then I would get the thing.

Right now without any communication and no 64bit version of MAC and especially the COMBINATION of these two facts, he has lost a customer as far as I am concerned.

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:03 am

airborne wrote:just out of curiosity, how do you work on a Mac with Sylenth? It is not 64bit on Mac. Do you run a bridge or run Logic in 32bit mode? I use Cubase 6 as my DAW.
Also, why do you find Virus uninspiring ? I find it a absolutely gorgeous sounding VA synth, could you elaborate on that?

Now I will sound like a retard, but I honestly don't know. Maybe it's because I'm using Live. I haven't made it into 64 bit for audio applications yet - haven't found the need for it actually.

Re. the Virus. There are many things that I like and dislike with my Virus. First of all - yes, the Virus can sound truly great. There are many presets that come with it that just are amazing. But distaste for it came when I started creating my own sounds for it, after using it as a preset machine for years.

Just a couple of things - the TI is a beast. And a best of this magnitude always come with a huge number of parameters. These parameters are spread over different pages in the software which means your are constantly flipping pages. Editing on the hardware itself is even worse - lots clicking in menues and sub menues. I know I will be stamped as a heretic now but my first test to see if I like a synth or not is to create a simple sawtooth bass the the lfo modulating the cutoff - simple stuff. I still haven't been able to make one that make my hair stand on end. With Sylenth this is easy as with the Arturia Minimoog (oh powerful focker that one).

All of that can of course convenienly be sorted under the box labeled personal.

/C

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