DIVA Preset Request and Sharing Section

[PAK]

yes there is a little fm
...
btw the Pro One had a great FM

I wouldn't term it "a little FM" since it actually defines the whole sound

Pro One? See here for an actual Pro One attempt http://www.unease.se/proone.htm (don't be fooled by the crunchy percussion - the brass lead has little of the originals grit ) Cool sounds though

and suggestion for extra grit would be probably put it though and amp cab sim like guitar rig or something...that's how the original was recorded.(from an amp)

It's an obvious suggestion, but not a good one. You want to grit up the oscillators, which is different from applying distortion to the whole thing, since it'll just mask the difference. The Arp 2600 (supposedly used on the original) does allow that sort of grit with no "amp" required.

edit: checked your preset...you are using the wrong modules imo. with moog oscillators and filter u'd get much closer. (it's missing the right fuzz)

Your preset isn't necessarily closer to my ears (using the Moog module). The key isn't so much the module, it's more about how the FM is applied to the oscillators

As I said, if someone knows how to apply a similar level of grit to the oscillators in Diva, without it sounding like noise, then let us know. Otherwise it'd be nice to see something added in the modifications which helped out there since it's helpful for "dirtier analogue" sounds

[olikana]

pointless bickering

[PAK]

edit:wait somethings wrong

Yep. For one thing I referenced your original sound post, not the later Diva one

Anyway, the point was more about how it'd be nice if the FM could "grit up" the sound, rather than really about that particular brass sound

And the playing style matters too.. your playing,.. mine.. the original.. then your sound
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/Playin ... ustain.mp3


Like I said, the main point is all of them lack the originals "grit". Since Diva doesn't emulate a 2600 (maybe some day ) we can forgive that. But it'd be nice to use FM to grit up the sound more without introducing noise, whether it's the Moog module or another?

[olikana]

i reverted my post as it was as that was indeeed the sound of the preset.
yes the play style and key unfortunately were determined by the midi file i downloaded (which wasnt an accurate midi to say the least...)
so now in your latest audio example your sound is in tune and mine not ;P


but yeah u r right....the FM is not giving the right "grit"....i believe the FM is not rich as it should be also to avoid aliasing(my guess) ( god knows how much bandlimiting goes on in there muffling it up....who knows)

[PAK]

i reverted my post as it was as that was indeeed the sound of the preset.
yes the play style and key unfortunately were determined by the midi file i downloaded (which wasnt an accurate midi to say the least...)
so now in your latest audio example your sound is in tune and mine not ;P


but yeah u r right....the FM is not giving the right "grit"....i believe the FM is not rich as it should be also to avoid aliasing(my guess) ( god knows how much bandlimiting goes on in there muffling it up....who knows)

Here's my last attempt (until FM is changed or someone points out something we haven't noticed )
Original, Mine, yours
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/Orig_P ... likana.mp3

"Moog Edition" Preset is here
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/PAK%20 ... V2Moog.h2p

Yours has a bit more of the grit going on.. FX plugin? Or maybe because it contains an extra (lower) tone, which shouldn't be there but maybe would help to "flesh it out" in terms of lack of FM lovin'?

[Bronto Scorpio]

Have you tried to modulate the filter with a very fast LFO?
I haven't tried it but it could give you some of the "grit"

Cheers
Dennis

[PAK]

Have you tried to modulate the filter with a very fast LFO?
I haven't tried it but it could give you some of the "grit"

Good suggestion.. but also the very first thing I tried

It can sort of dirty it up when set to its fastest setting, but has a tendency to produce too much distortion/overtones you don't want.. If you reduce the modulation it takes the grit away when you actually need more

[Bronto Scorpio]

Have you tried to modulate the filter with a very fast LFO?
I haven't tried it but it could give you some of the "grit"

Good suggestion.. but also the very first thing I tried

It can sort of dirty it up when set to its fastest setting, but has a tendency to produce too much distortion/overtones you don't want.. If you reduce the modulation it takes the grit away when you actually need more

Ah OK. Was just an idea my tired brain came up with

Cheers
Dennis

[Mogular]

Fast random LFO on Resonance could do it.
Connect it up on the Modifications tab.

[Mogular]

Nice challenge this.
There is a lot going on in this sound.
Very fast snappy envelopes and I found a combination of fast random lfo on the resonance as well as on the cross mod (using the Dual VCO module) gets closer to the sound.
Let me know what you think:

http://www.box.com/s/mo3drkhxyk94vgg9c51b

[dalor]

Haven't spent enough time with Diva yet to check all it's capabilities.
However, some dirty Crumar DS-2 alike sounds would be cool:

[olikana]

Fast random LFO on Resonance could do it.
Connect it up on the Modifications tab.

bingo. fast modulating the resonance was defenetly a great suggestion! (i actually "tuned" it with the sound so not so random) ..it adds that little ring tone at the bottom which in addition to a little FM gives it more grit.
mine now sounds like this (after hours of tweaking on end jeez...)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/gettingthere.wav
not quite right...but getting there....and with an EQ i could get much closer (always the same bad midi btw...would have helped if someone could play it exactly as the arp sequencer outputs it?)

and i'm sharing the preset as it was much of a collaborative effort and in the spirit of learning....and i'm happy to let somoene improve on it if it's even possible (the sound of the FM in Diva doesn't convince me much but i have no moog with cross mod to compare it against).
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/yazoodontgobrass.h2p

[Mogular]

sounds good.

Did you check out the preset I uploaded two posts up?
(edit:I have tweaked it some: http://www.box.com/s/mo3drkhxyk94vgg9c51b)

[olikana]

sounds good.

Did you check out the preset I uploaded two posts up?

yes but didn't play/sound close enough here. and i believe the moog approach is more suited in terms of sound.
but the resonance<>lfo suggestion was vital. it was defenetly one of the little missing puzzles in the sound. so thanks;)

[Mogular]

I think something that is missing from your patch is a high pass filter. There is very little low frequencies in the original sound - hence that very thin reedy sound. Also, while the sound is nice its definitely still lacking in some grit. That's where I added cross mod from the lfo on the 2VCO