KVR Audio

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:57 am

hibidy wrote:are you ready? do you have your flamethrower suits on? here comes........

looks like more bloat. Terrible teaser, I mean "connection interrupted?" Sounds about right

What about all the long standing stuff that doesn't work? Is this "daw 3.0" now? Oh, I can't wait until we get the company line-tow too about how hard they work or what excuses or having to wait forever for fixes.

The only feature I'm interested in, the "license transfer" button

I would welcome that feature as well

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:03 am

dmaestas wrote:
hibidy wrote:The only feature I'm interested in, the "license transfer" button
Can I get a "Hallelujah!" on that?

Only in Europe. Sorry.

Smedberg · Post by **Smedberg** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:02 am

KevWestBeats wrote:
yevster wrote:Based on my experience with Sonar over the past five years and four releases, it's wicked buggy at the time of release, slightly less buggy after two service packs, and remains buggy until the next release. Sonar always looks great on a spec sheet, but if you shell out money before trying a demo (and they never offer a demo at release time), you do so at your own peril.
exactly! X1 has a lot of bugs in it and its almost 2 years old. On paper Sonar is the best DAW on the market imo but if the features don't work well more than 60-70% of the time then its not worth their asking price. I am an X1 owner and I was really hoping they would fix all of the bugs in X1 and do an X1E release and then come back with X2. X1d is fairly stable and most of the release bugs are gone but there are some old old bugs that have been around for 5 or 6 years that Cakewalk just ignores. Its hard for me to ignore that. With that in mind I am heavily considering trashing it for Pro Tools.

Yes, i would love to work with Sonar X1 but the bugs, crashes and stability issues I had with it was to much. The fun thing when bringing those issues up the recommended fixes are "don't use that function"

Instead of fixing the current program they launch a new version and expect us to pay (again)? For new bugs?
I have moved to Cubase instead and have a rock solid working program today and aint gonna jump on to X2.
The only thing I still have installed from X1 production suite is the synths Z3ta +2, Rapture and Dimension Pro.

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:05 am

Smedberg wrote:
KevWestBeats wrote:
yevster wrote:Based on my experience with Sonar over the past five years and four releases, it's wicked buggy at the time of release, slightly less buggy after two service packs, and remains buggy until the next release. Sonar always looks great on a spec sheet, but if you shell out money before trying a demo (and they never offer a demo at release time), you do so at your own peril.
exactly! X1 has a lot of bugs in it and its almost 2 years old. On paper Sonar is the best DAW on the market imo but if the features don't work well more than 60-70% of the time then its not worth their asking price. I am an X1 owner and I was really hoping they would fix all of the bugs in X1 and do an X1E release and then come back with X2. X1d is fairly stable and most of the release bugs are gone but there are some old old bugs that have been around for 5 or 6 years that Cakewalk just ignores. Its hard for me to ignore that. With that in mind I am heavily considering trashing it for Pro Tools.
Yes, i would love to work with Sonar X1 but the bugs, crashes and stability issues I had with it was to much. The fun thing when bringing those issues up the recommended fixes are "don't use that function"
Instead of fixing the current program they launch a new version and expect us to pay (again)? For new bugs?
I have moved to Cubase instead and have a rock solid working program today and aint gonna jump on to X2.
The only thing I still have installed from X1 production suite is the synths Z3ta +2, Rapture and Dimension Pro.

well I think we have been spoiled by the stability of Reason too lol. Good to see you around its been a minute.

Smedberg · Post by **Smedberg** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:18 am

KevWestBeats wrote:
Smedberg wrote:
KevWestBeats wrote:
yevster wrote:Based on my experience with Sonar over the past five years and four releases, it's wicked buggy at the time of release, slightly less buggy after two service packs, and remains buggy until the next release. Sonar always looks great on a spec sheet, but if you shell out money before trying a demo (and they never offer a demo at release time), you do so at your own peril.
exactly! X1 has a lot of bugs in it and its almost 2 years old. On paper Sonar is the best DAW on the market imo but if the features don't work well more than 60-70% of the time then its not worth their asking price. I am an X1 owner and I was really hoping they would fix all of the bugs in X1 and do an X1E release and then come back with X2. X1d is fairly stable and most of the release bugs are gone but there are some old old bugs that have been around for 5 or 6 years that Cakewalk just ignores. Its hard for me to ignore that. With that in mind I am heavily considering trashing it for Pro Tools.
Yes, i would love to work with Sonar X1 but the bugs, crashes and stability issues I had with it was to much. The fun thing when bringing those issues up the recommended fixes are "don't use that function"
Instead of fixing the current program they launch a new version and expect us to pay (again)? For new bugs?
I have moved to Cubase instead and have a rock solid working program today and aint gonna jump on to X2.
The only thing I still have installed from X1 production suite is the synths Z3ta +2, Rapture and Dimension Pro.
well I think we have been spoiled by the stability of Reason too lol. Good to see you around its been a minute.

Thanks, yeah the step from Reason to X1 was a shock...

saintjohnbaxter · Post by **saintjohnbaxter** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:41 am

I hung mine up about 10 months ago. Haven't even looked at it since, never could get on with it. You live and learn...

juffi · Post by **juffi** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:55 am

As long as it is stable enough, i will have a try on X2. I think they throw in a huge feature list, but dont care enough of bug fixes and user support. Just get more new customers, thats important. My support ticket was answered within 4 weeks, WOW !!!

I wonder whats happening to their rather old plugins like Rapture, Dimension Pro, Beatscape and their other included instruments.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:30 am

sockofgold · Post by **sockofgold** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:56 pm

So, as I mentioned in the beginning of this thread, I demoed X1 last night to see what it was all about, and the main thing that struck me was the gigantic GUI. Everything is freaking huge! It seems like a serious waste of screen space.

I know it's all customizable and such, but everything is so far spaced out, and the buttons in the toolbar are enormous--just so inefficient. Seems like they're trying to gear up to make their GUI touch-compatible, but man, it made my eyes bleed.

Going back to Cubase after a couple hours of that made me really happy to see such a well-thought out GUI (aside from the terrible mess that is Cubase's window-management). Sometimes trying out a new DAW can make you realize how much you like the one you already use. Thanks Cakewalk!

edit: I will say, to be fair, that there were a lot of things I liked about X1, but not nearly enough to make me forgive that horrid GUI. Also, the installer wouldn't let me change the location of the demo content. My main drive is a 120GB SSD, so I don't want any kind of sample content wasting my precious space. Another big fail for X1 there, as it made me install it to my C drive, and would not let me change it.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:59 pm

sockofgold wrote:So, as I mentioned in the beginning of this thread, I demoed X1 last night to see what it was all about, and the main thing that struck me was the gigantic GUI. Everything is freaking huge! It seems like a serious waste of screen space.

They screwed up with X1.. I was so happy on Sonar 8.5 the X1 GUI is just terrible i hate it hence it's been on the shelf for over 1yr, will sell it shortly (im in europe)

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:26 pm

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trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:30 pm

ttoz wrote:
Gonga wrote:But for us poor PC users, what's the alternative? I see Cubase or Reaper, both of which also have serious issues. One thing's for sure, I'm in vst land for the forseeable future.
In all fairness, Cubase is relatively rock solid, seriously.

and Reaper....

See what I did there?

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:20 pm

Excellent video.

i.e., Re-assures me that I made the right choice moving on...

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:03 pm

trimph1 wrote:

Looking good!!

That's one of the most annoying marketing videos I've ever seen.

As dictator of the world, I would make the bleepy computer text cliche illegal. My lifelong tolerance for that cliche has expired.

Plus, the hacker BS was equally annoying.

However, I'm glad to see some DAW learn from Reason's automation lanes. I'd like the next version of Logic to do likewise. I've actually used Reason's sequencer as a cleanup tool for bad MOD/XM to MIDI converters. This Sonar X2 would have my attention more if I hadn't sworn to abandon Windows ASAP (read as: once I've exported all my Sonar projects).

SONAR X2 first look