Do you think Instruments forum is getting crowded with sound banks and preset topics?

[whyterabbyt]

a "one forum only" policy would be something like a general opt-out.

no, not really.

why not opt-in to see this soundware forum?

how would that change anything? you're seriously suggesting that the solution to you worrying that there might be a post an opt-in only forum belonging to a developer that's also in an soundware forum is for people to opt-out of the entire soundware forum?

that doesnt really seem like you're interested in a sensible solution. you're basically proposing that everyone else cuts off their noses because you want to spite your face.

I mean the only person who could possibly have an ongoing problem with developers posting in a generic forum and their own is someone who deliberately remained opted-in to those developer forums just so they had something to complain about.

but who am i to tell the mighty whyterabbyt what i think...

someone who doesnt like other people telling you what they think in return, i reckon.

maybe you can accept this opinion :

Right now if you go into the instrument section there are no less than 4 soundbank advertisements on the first page. On the next page there are 9. This is too much.

Okay a new product section gives us this:

A Single section that people can go to for "news buzz" whether it be a new synth, effect, or bank or DAW or whatever.

It won't clutter up the instrument section which would still be around for discussion of older synths.

what does that opinion, which i have no issue with, have to do with what's basically you saying that developers should have to stop developers from posting annoucements in their own opt-in forums if they also want to post in that 'news buzz' forum, (or whatever it is results from this topic)?

oh wait. nothing. its either you missing his point, trying to coopt what he said into your argument, despite having nothing to do with it, or you trying to play 'you and him fight'.

[ChiTown24]

Strange this thread, in that what has been annoying me more and more, and I was going to bring it up, but you brought it up way more elegantly than me, is threads on instruments bombarded with demos of upcoming preset banks, or existing preset banks, and its the same handful of people doing it the repeatedly
However, a separate thread in instruments forum announcing soundbanks whilst belonging in the marketplace doesn't really bother me that much.

my two cents
rsp

+1

Too many once informative product announcement threads have been completely torpedoed in the name of shameless self-promotion. Whatever element of true altruism that might exist in uploading these demos can still exist and be just as beneficial to others by simply creating a dedicated thread for those demos {and usually that soundbank} and dumping the soundfiles {and subsequent discussion re: your sounds} there. Link to it once from the originating announcement thread. Where's the problem ? And if you've got some enthusiastic patron of your work blowing smoke up your ass, don't take that as a cue or license to torpedo another thread with your product demos. I mean, do if you like, but don't expect me to buy the excuse that you were just satisfying the desires of someone else in posting the demos. Direct them to your soundbank thread instead. I beseech you.

The level of entitlement on display by some commercial vendors is pretty staggering. I'm assuming these people aren't paying KVR for the right to spam ? After contaminating the instruments forum enough that approx two thirds of users {sample group = the poll in this thread} feel their soundbank shilling is a problem, their proposed solutions seem totally oblivious of the root of the problem;; We're tired of the spam in the middle of the news & discussion. So a "new products" section where the same behavior continues is not a solution, rather it's just kicking the can about half a yard down the road.

A soundbanks sub/forum sounds good to me. How could that be seen as "messy" ? For the end user it is anything but. Spamming isn't a god given right I'm afraid, if you can't support your soundbank enterprise in a non-spammy way then maybe the quality of your product just isn't up to snuff.

Anyway, above all else, the main thing I'm tired with is product announcements being hijacked by preset vendors plugging commercial products or the service by which they deliver commercial products. I can stomach an abundance of dedicated threads in a forum where they might not necessarily belong {depending on your preferences}

$0.02

[whyterabbyt]

Anyway, above all else, the main thing I'm tired with is product announcements being hijacked by preset vendors plugging commercial products or the service by which they deliver commercial products.

Commercial advertising being hijacked by commercial advertising (basically) I have less of an issue with than simple peer-to-peer advice request (ie 'what can I use') threads being hijacked by plugin vendors plugging their commercial products. Something, ironically the the OP of this thread is quite adamant about defending, if I recall correctly.

[digitalboytn]

There are only a small number of sound designers who I really respect...

BT,MK and HS for example...

Many of the others just seem to tweak stock sounds,give them fancy names and then flog the sound banks off to the multitude of users who are too lazy to dig in,learn about the synths they have and then program and tweak those sounds for themselves...

You need to tweak the sounds to suit each track,so spending time to understand the tools that you are using is a far better investment than just throwing money at them and having a gazillion sounds - but really having achieved nothing...

When you work out the cost of the extra sound banks in relation to the cost of the actual synths,it is quite revealing

[lingyai]

I'm 50/50, but I also do the occasional soundbank/patch set. But really, wouldn't you like to find new patch release info near the instrument/effect (forum) it's made for ? I (ultimately) would, as a buyer/customer....

+1

Plus -- those who don't want to see such posts can skip them. Simple.

[tehlord]

Many of the others just seem to tweak stock sounds,give them fancy names and then flog the sound banks off to the multitude of users who are too lazy to dig in,learn about the synths they have and then program and tweak those sounds for themselves...

Utter bull

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

My point is that soundbank sellers need visibility beyond the market place. The Instruments forum is the most likely place but it's become saturated now. If we say soundbank designers can only advertise in the soundbank sub-forum, thats fair, but the problem is exposure. Not everyone want's to check multiple parts of the forum for news.

i don't even think that the market place is the right place...that should be kept for 2nd hand between users

as for exposure, a subforum provides that.....but what it also stops is people who have no interest having to navigate around to avoid the soundbank threads

people who are in the market for extra sounds will keep checking in, don't worry....and having them in one place will make using 'search' a breeze

[ouroboros]

Sorry if I'm reading this wrong, but a forum headed "soundsets" would allow preset and sound pkg vendors to post stuff there, and then they could also post in the dev's forum as well to alert concerned userbase?
Is that one of the suggestions?

I'm all for cleaning up the instruments forum.

[olikana]

i believe with some common sense this issue would have not even been discussed.
but some "sound designers" went too far with their preset spamming threads and now opening a new section for presets/banks (whether free or commercial) is almost inevitable imo.

I'm 50/50, but I also do the occasional soundbank/patch set. But really, wouldn't you like to find new patch release info near the instrument/effect (forum) it's made for ? I (ultimately) would, as a buyer/customer....

i'm sure if you post in the relevant instrument thread saying u made some presets for that instrument .. it would be acceptable and even appreciated , you would be in topic with the thread after all. (for example if you post in the rayblaster instrument thread that u have made a rayblaster preset pack i don't think anyone can really complain about that)
but if u wanna make a thread about your presets then the presets/banks section would be the most appropriate place imo.

must be disheartening these days for developers to post in the instrument forum about their product...only to see their thread in 2nd page a couple of hours later cos of the swamping by preset threads. difficult for them to get even any feedback on their work. only the big names with a lot of hype manage to stay afloat. for new or unknown developers there's not even a chance to get their product across (as opposed to the effect section which works really well in that regard, coincidence there's no preset spamming threads there!) .
and for users it is just frustrating to see instruments discussions disappear...and preset threads getting bumped.

Just give us a "New product alert" forum like on GS where all new commercial products like plugs and soundsets can live side by side. Then the Instruments and Effects Fora could be totally ruled by "what's the best broccoli emulation"-topics and other groundbreaking discussion and people searching for new sounds and plugs would know where to look for.

-1 from bad to worse.
browsing through hundres of irrelevant new product threads for what? (if i'm interested only in instruments why do i have to browse through hundreds of unrelated stuff?) nor it makes things any easier for discussion purposes.
example moog sub phatty: on GS there's 1 thread in new product alert , 1 thread in the instrument section, 1 thread in the NAMM section...3 concurrent threads all discussing the same thing at the same time risultating in a dispersive discussion...not good!
some of us prefer KVR for a reason. if kvr was the same as GS...there would be simply no point being here apart from company forums.
i personally would like a simple instrument section similar to the effect section (which is a less spammy section with more product insight and serves better its purpose)with pretty much 1 thread per product and on topic discussions and hardly any trolling (cos of the less speedy pace of threads).

A Single section that people can go to for "news buzz" whether it be a new synth, effect, or bank or DAW or whatever.
It won't clutter up the instrument section which would still be around for discussion of older synths.

the instrument forum only for old synths? seriously?
and effect forum for only old effects? seriously?
and only old daws in host section ? ...
basically u would kill all those sections off!
and everyone must go in the news buzz section where new instruments, new effects and new presets (ofc!!), new daws get posted and discussed all in 1 section?...
ok enough it's obvious all you "sound designers" care about is getting maximum visibility for your presets and don't give a damn about a better forum experience.

a forum for presets/banks is the most simple and tidy solution .. but it's obvious from this thread preset sellers want to keep posting threads in whatever the most visited forum section is .

funny also that most of those here giving their "unbiased" opinions are preset sellers.
imo a preset/bank forum would benefit even them in the long run....cos it would be even easier browsing for the ones buying/looking for presets. imo it would benefit those who sell quality (as their offerings can be quickly compared with others) as opposed to those who so far have just been selling with aggressive spamming techniques.

[vurt]

blah blah blah...
some bollocks stuff!

[Delfinoverde]

I understand that some creative minds [or not] are trying to advertise/sell their "own made" presets and post them in many places. Even on this forum i lately noticed a rapid increase of them...for nearly every synth or plug-in you can see a special developer. Since everybody can open a free business it's more or less tolerated. I've never bought any presets because i like to make my own!

But i like the idea of FREE presets & free libraries. It's a useful thing for many people.

[Aiynzahev]

A Single section that people can go to for "news buzz" whether it be a new synth, effect, or bank or DAW or whatever.
It won't clutter up the instrument section which would still be around for discussion of older synths.

the instrument forum only for old synths? seriously?
and effect forum for only old effects? seriously?
and only old daws in host section ? ...
basically u would kill all those sections off!

Old as in 2 months old, like they do over at GS.

ok enough it's obvious all you "sound designers" care about is getting maximum visibility for your presets and don't give a damn about a better forum experience.

a forum for presets/banks is the most simple and tidy solution .. but it's obvious from this thread preset sellers want to keep posting threads in whatever the most visited forum section is.

funny also that most of those here giving their "unbiased" opinions are preset sellers.

Don't be silly. First of all not that many people have even weighed in yet, secondly it's rude and unfair to ascribe motives like that in public.

imo a preset/bank forum would benefit even them in the long run....cos it would be even easier browsing for the ones buying/looking for presets... as opposed to those who so far have just been selling with aggressive spamming techniques.

I agree, it's just that those aggressive spamming techniques are why I think it could end up in a mess.

Anyway, I particularly dislike it when people lump others together into a group and then accuse them indiscriminately. It may be that a good few just use KVR for ads and don't care about users of the forum, but you're not at liberty to arbitrarily put me in that category.

The point of this thread was for all members of KVR to be able to weigh in with their opinions, no one is destroying anything.

[UncleAge]

Strange this thread, in that what has been annoying me more and more, and I was going to bring it up, but you brought it up way more elegantly than me, is threads on instruments bombarded with demos of upcoming preset banks, or existing preset banks, and its the same handful of people doing it the repeatedly
However, a separate thread in instruments forum announcing soundbanks whilst belonging in the marketplace doesn't really bother me that much.

my two cents
rsp

+1

[digitalboytn]

Many of the others just seem to tweak stock sounds,give them fancy names and then flog the sound banks off to the multitude of users who are too lazy to dig in,learn about the synths they have and then program and tweak those sounds for themselves...

Utter bull

Is it really ?

Mmmmm...

I think that it may be closer to the truth than many people realise

[Aiynzahev]

Anyway what we need to do is reach a solution. Each person should make their simple suggestion:

1.Open a "Sound Design" section in the forum for ads of that nature.

2. Move all such threads from the Instrument sections & the market place to the new Sound Design section.