PCWorld review

[Tricky-Loops]

That's exactly my point.

Plus, MuTools does not try to force you to use MuLab exclusively and forever, for instance by using tricks like Mixcraft's, i.e. saving synth patches in some weird proprietary format so that when you switch to another DAW you loose all your presets of any synths which do not have a built-in patch manager.

Does Mixcraft not allow saving in the ".fxp" and ".fxb" format?

[fluffy_little_something]

No

I spent weeks recreating my Mixcraft patches in Mulab, one by one, parameter by parameter. Never again will I make that mistake...

[Tricky-Loops]

No

I spent weeks recreating my Mixcraft patches in Mulab, one by one, parameter by parameter. Never again will I make that mistake...

THAT is a CON - but for Mixcraft...

[fluffy_little_something]

Yes, that really is a con

[Tricky-Loops]

Yes, that really is a con

I've read that Mixcraft DOES load most FXB files, but not FXP files. That's really odd...

[fluffy_little_something]

Yes, if you already have an fxb file from another DAW, you can load that. But you cannot create fxb and fxp files yourself. In other words, they facilitate switching to Mixcraft, but make it difficult to switch away from it.

[Tricky-Loops]

Yes, if you already have an fxb file from another DAW, you can load that. But you cannot create fxb and fxp files yourself. In other words, they facilitate switching to Mixcraft, but make it difficult to switch away from it.

And they don't have a free version, so having a free version at all is a PRO for MuLab...

[sl23]

If free Mulab had, say, 8 or even 16 tracks, fewer people would buy paid Mulab versions. I.e. Jo would earn less and would have to raise the prices of the paid versions in order to make ends meet. If he did that, reviewers would complain that Mulab is too expensive

That was my point!

The free version is nothing more than a tester version, it's a bonus if it's all you require.

[fluffy_little_something]

Huh?! That is not what I said at all. It is a full version for people who do not need as many tracks...

[Tricky-Loops]

Huh?! That is not what I said at all. It is a full version for people who do not need as many tracks...

For example, Chanson singers...one piano and one vocal -- or songwriters...one guitar and one vocal...so they have 2 tracks too much...

[fluffy_little_something]

Huh?! That is not what I said at all. It is a full version for people who do not need as many tracks...

For example, Chanson singers...one piano and one vocal -- or songwriters...one guitar and one vocal...so they have 2 tracks too much...

Yeah, if Jo were not so greedy, he would offer a 2-track version where users receive money for using it

[sl23]

Huh?! That is not what I said at all. It is a full version for people who do not need as many tracks...

It was your quote!

I wasn't saying what you said. I was pointing out how it is from what I've read. Jo has stated many times before that the free version is so people can try MuLab. So all that matters is his point of view not mine and not yours or anyone elses. Jo's the one that released a free version with the intent that he decided upon, yes? Then it doesn't matter if we argue over what it's for it's what Jo decided it's for that matters.

Therefore if I'm right, which as I said he has stated as much, then it's a test app with benefits. It's not freeware as you are making it out to be. Also, a 4track limit can be seen as a con whether it's free or trialware. As it depends entirely on your pov. The reviewer decided it was a con and you're attempting to make a point that he's wrong yet it's all subjective. One man's rubbish is another's gold.

[fluffy_little_something]

Huh?! That is not what I said at all. It is a full version for people who do not need as many tracks...

It was your quote!

I wasn't saying what you said. I was pointing out how it is from what I've read. Jo has stated many times before that the free version is so people can try MuLab. So all that matters is his point of view not mine and not yours or anyone elses. Jo's the one that released a free version with the intent that he decided upon, yes? Then it doesn't matter if we argue over what it's for it's what Jo decided it's for that matters.

Therefore if I'm right, which as I said he has stated as much, then it's a test app with benefits. It's not freeware as you are making it out to be. Also, a 4track limit can be seen as a con whether it's free or trialware. As it depends entirely on your pov. The reviewer decided it was a con and you're attempting to make a point that he's wrong yet it's all subjective. One man's rubbish is another's gold.

No, it was your interpretation of what I said, you were not quoting me.

Listen, just read on the MuTools website, there it is explained:

"MuLab Free is the fully functional entry level of MuLab and is free to everyone on earth

Eventhough it's limited, a creative soul can have a lot of musical joy with it, and it can also be used to evaluate MuLab XT/UL."

http://www.mutools.com/mulab-downloads.html

That clearly contradicts your view that the free version is just a trial version. It can be used as such by people who are considering to buy a paid version, but that is just one possibility. An entry-level product is not a trial version.

And, for all that, I indeed do and forever will totally disagree with the reviewer's point of view regarding the limit. We can exchange posts till hell freezes over, you won't change my mind. My verdict of that review is clear.

[sl23]

If free Mulab had, say, 8 or even 16 tracks, fewer people would buy paid Mulab versions. I.e. Jo would earn less and would have to raise the prices of the paid versions in order to make ends meet. If he did that, reviewers would complain that Mulab is too expensive

Thess are indeed your words. See here 3rd post from the bottom.

The point was you didn't agree with the review of 4tracks being a 'con'. Now you contradict what you've said? Like I said before it's subjective whether it is ot isn't a con anyway.

[fluffy_little_something]

If free Mulab had, say, 8 or even 16 tracks, fewer people would buy paid Mulab versions. I.e. Jo would earn less and would have to raise the prices of the paid versions in order to make ends meet. If he did that, reviewers would complain that Mulab is too expensive

Thess are indeed your words. See here 3rd post from the bottom.

The point was you didn't agree with the review of 4tracks being a 'con'. Now you contradict what you've said? Like I said before it's subjective whether it is ot isn't a con anyway.

Yes, that is what I said. So, what does what I said have to do with what you claim I said? Namely:

"That was my point!

The free version is nothing more than a tester version, it's a bonus if it's all you require."

My statement and yours are quite different...