Toms Midi Mangler 1.1 - Probabilistic Reaktor/Falcon Midi Ensemble (not only) for BWS... :-)

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ThomasHelzle wrote:I just did a quick test with a Note MOD, modulated the "Velocity 2" of a MidiVelocityScale VST (PizMidi) with the "Key"-Modulation from the Note Mod and got a range of keys over which the velocity went from 127 to 0. You could put that in front of two instruments in an instrument layer and inverse the effect in one of them...
So it's definitely doable, even if not as elegant as in Live.
Would also make a good FR to have a fading-range in the factory note filter device.

Yeah, same here with the browser. Nick did some great work there. I look forward to how it further develops.

Hm - I never export to MP3, I usually go first WAV and in the end convert to FLAC, since it supports multichannel surround - which is pretty much everything I do these days...
Send it as a FR to support if you haven't. The libraries should be already in there since BWS can open MP3 and I read this request quite often.

Cheers,

Tom
Aha... I hadn't tried the Note Mod yet...

I am playing around with it right now and I notice that the modulators have rectangles above them that light up. A softly played note (low velocity) the light is faint and I hard note (high velocity) and the light is bright.

The Key parameter goes from dark to full brightness across 1 octave. That seems wrong to me. Maybe I am not understanding it.
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The light is misleading, yes. Not sure if it's a bug or meant to be that way.
The modulation is working fine though.

Cheers,

Tom
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Oh, and since you asked about a curve: no, that isn't available yet, but every device has macros and those can often be used as a kind of multiplier/mixer since you can route several modulators to one such macro and drive one macro with another having different strengths...
Needs a bit of getting into but you can create quite complex solutions this way ;-)

Cheers,

Tom
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I looked in the manual, but there is no explanation for the Note Mod device. I see there is a Note FX slot to drop devices into, but its not clear what that does...
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ThomasHelzle wrote:Oh, and since you asked about a curve: no, that isn't available yet, but every device has macros and those can often be used as a kind of multiplier/mixer since you can route several modulators to one such macro and drive one macro with another having different strengths...
Needs a bit of getting into but you can create quite complex solutions this way ;-)

Cheers,

Tom
That gets back to the modular midi environment. I would like to be able to set the start note and end note for a key range modulator... start at C2 = 0 and end C6 = 127

Bitwig's modular nature promises to eventually get there!
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Sure, the node editor will be ace for such things, but you know that I'm always more interested in getting stuff done now - even if it's less convenient - than waiting for some future things to happen. ;-)
You can do that note range stuff now with what I wrote you, but it's nothing I personally need so I leave it to you and others who do that kind of layers - it's good gymnastics for the brain... ;-)

As for the node mod, I found it quite self-explanatory so I never looked into the docs... ;-)
I would expect the note fx slot to work like always: allowing you to work on incoming notes before the note mod does it's thing - like with other note effects and VSTs. That way you can keep presets more tidy. Everything you want to modulate with the note mod itself goes into the FX slot...
It pretty much works always the same (drop an arpreggiator in for instance to see it clearly).

Cheers,

Tom
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ThomasHelzle wrote:Sure, the node editor will be ace for such things, but you know that I'm always more interested in getting stuff done now - even if it's less convenient - than waiting for some future things to happen. ;-)
You can do that note range stuff now with what I wrote you, but it's nothing I personally need so I leave it to you and others who do that kind of layers - it's good gymnastics for the brain... ;-)

As for the node mod, I found it quite self-explanatory so I never looked into the docs... ;-)
I would expect the note fx slot to work like always: allowing you to work on incoming notes before the note mod does it's thing - like with other note effects and VSTs. That way you can keep presets more tidy. Everything you want to modulate with the note mod itself goes into the FX slot...
It pretty much works always the same (drop an arpreggiator in for instance to see it clearly).

Cheers,

Tom
Hey, you were the one talking about !Epoch! ;-)

I'm not understanding at all how to set a specific key range for a modifier... but I'll muddle around with it

I tried putting the Arp inside the Note Mod's note fx slot but it did not do what I expected. Maybe user error, or maybe a bug... it is a beta
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That is true. But until Epoch may or may not show up, I muddle through with what I have, like this thread shows ;-)

Well, the arp inside the note fx slot is putting the output of the arp "in front" of the note mod, so the mods react to arpeggiated notes.
Or for the velocity-fade-case: if you are able to fade over a certain range of notes, you can for instance move that range up or down first in the note-fx slot, then up again in the main fx slot. If you connect this to macros working one time in the positive and one time in the negative direction from the same center, you should have your solution (didn't try it though).

Cheers and good luck,

Tom
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have you noticed that tool?



its from me and i will release it for a few euro next month.

if you, tom, or other script-writer, or other people who really bringing up our community want a cost-free-version pm me!
also people who are really engaged in a beneficence-organisation can get a free-version.
i am alos looking for german-english (other language) translator to write the manuals or people who are making new vids / other marketing for it. And i am looking for qualified beta-tester / preset-maker / samples-creator for other ensembles i have in the pipeline.
and i am looking for a lawyer who makes my online-shop written-warnings bullet-proof.

(the vids are one year old, in the meantime there were lot of devolops implemented. its now a 2.1 version, realy stable and bug-free:-)
well, pleace be so nice and like me on YT and give a commentar ;-)

Speziell für dich Thomas, ich könnte dir bei deinem Teil helfen. Reaktor und Midi ist dermassen mit Stolperfallen gepflastert - ich habe Monate gebraucht um die dicksten Fallstricke zu entwirren.
Ich hab auch ein ziemlich nach-vorn-bringendes Script-Konzept in der Schublade, dafür brauche ich aber definitiv einen wirklich fähigen Java-Performer.
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@DJ... : I usually work with much simpler tools so I'm not the right person for testing etc. your (impressive) ensemble.

My tool works perfectly for me personally now after I re-built it mostly in Core, I no longer have hanging notes.
One user reported he still has them but didn't give any other information (the NI user library is really a pain in not having any notification system for comments or updates for ensembles - almost impossible to get or give support...) so I don't know the circumstances.
You are welcome to have a look and I'm happy for hints how to better track the randomly pitch-changed notes to send proper note offs.
My current system uses a simple table and works, but if I find the time again I guess I should update it and built the note management in core as well, but it's an area where I find thinking in nodes much harder than writing it in code...
Too bad R6 didn't come with scripting...

Viel Erfolg mit deinem Release! :tu:

Cheers,

Tom
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For those of you who use UVI Falcon with Bitwig Studio, I created a similar tool to my Midi Mangler for Reaktor 6 in Lua for Falcon:

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Check it out here on the epic Falcon thread:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 4#p6297764

Since one can address each individual voice in Falcon, it has some special tricks, like per-note panning... :party:

Cheers,

Tom
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ThomasHelzle wrote:For those of you who use UVI Falcon with Bitwig Studio, I created a similar tool to my Midi Mangler for Reaktor 6 in Lua for Falcon:

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Check it out here on the epic Falcon thread:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 4#p6297764

Since one can address each individual voice in Falcon, it has some special tricks, like per-note panning... :party:

Cheers,

Tom
Hey Tom,
How's Bitwig handling UVI's Falcon. I am thinking of buying; it's a shame I knew about it next day the special was over. Maybe end of month they'll do another special.

Thanks
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c-wave wrote:Hey Tom,
How's Bitwig handling UVI's Falcon. I am thinking of buying; it's a shame I knew about it next day the special was over. Maybe end of month they'll do another special.

Thanks
I think its brilliant together. :tu:
In a way it is similar to Bitwig in that it is quasi-modular and virtually unlimited in scope.
Modulation heaven, very well implemented Lua scripting (you can but don't have to use), tons of different very good oscillators, very high quality effects...
It is multitimbral and you can access each "program" separately if you want via the Bitwig track-output-to-VST routing.
It has 17 separate stereo outputs that each part can be routed to.
It also has 128 host automation lanes that you can assign to parameters as you see fit (so you don't have 5 million VST parameters to scroll through). As soon as you assign such a lane to a parameter, it is shown with it's correct name in Bitwigs plugin parameters in the device, ready for automation/modulation.

IMO it's a match made in heaven :-)

And for a beast of this scope it's unbelievable easy to navigate, once you got some initial things down. Very good GUI, just like Bitwig.

I don't think I was as excited about any tool since Bitwig came along... :-)

Maybe wait and see if UVI will do another sale on BlackFriday/Cyber Monday, but I don't know if they will, so short after the release sale.

Mach Five libraries work with it, so there is already good material, for instance from Patchpool - I just got his "Scattered Entities". :-)

Cheers,

Tom

BTW. Simon from Patchpool has a sale-vote going on, so if you should go for Falcon, you may check out his libraries and vote for those you like to get them for a reduced price: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3&t=450566
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ThomasHelzle wrote:
c-wave wrote:Hey Tom,
How's Bitwig handling UVI's Falcon. I am thinking of buying; it's a shame I knew about it next day the special was over. Maybe end of month they'll do another special.

Thanks
I think its brilliant together. :tu:
In a way it is similar to Bitwig in that it is quasi-modular and virtually unlimited in scope.
Modulation heaven, very well implemented Lua scripting (you can but don't have to use), tons of different very good oscillators, very high quality effects...
It is multitimbral and you can access each "program" separately if you want via the Bitwig track-output-to-VST routing.
It has 17 separate stereo outputs that each part can be routed to.
It also has 128 host automation lanes that you can assign to parameters as you see fit (so you don't have 5 million VST parameters to scroll through). As soon as you assign such a lane to a parameter, it is shown with it's correct name in Bitwigs plugin parameters in the device, ready for automation/modulation.

IMO it's a match made in heaven :-)

And for a beast of this scope it's unbelievable easy to navigate, once you got some initial things down. Very good GUI, just like Bitwig.

I don't think I was as excited about any tool since Bitwig came along... :-)

Maybe wait and see if UVI will do another sale on BlackFriday/Cyber Monday, but I don't know if they will, so short after the release sale.

Mach Five libraries work with it, so there is already good material, for instance from Patchpool - I just got his "Scattered Entities". :-)

Cheers,

Tom

BTW. Simon from Patchpool has a sale-vote going on, so if you should go for Falcon, you may check out his libraries and vote for those you like to get them for a reduced price: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3&t=450566
Wow.. By your description with regards to integration with Bitwig as well as features (GUI, OSC's FX, etc..), that's a 4.5 out of 5 :)
Thanks Tom
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