WaveLab Pro 9 and WaveLab Elements 9 now available!

[chk071]

Yep.

[trimph1]

I recently tried it again the first thing I noticed was that it won't run with Windows Classic theme.

That's like putting fake fur covers on your Ferrari hand crafted leather seats.

[SJ_Digriz]

SJ:
- can you confirm that the SoX Resampler is listed in the batch processor as module?

By the way there is plugin search, but it is really goofy. I haven't explored the feature settings yet, but by default you get a list by manufacturer. when you do a search it only reduces the list to the manufacturer, then you have to open each tree individually to find what you are looking for. Hopefully there's a setting that has the search expand to the actual plugin like it does in Cubase.

[aMUSEd]

Whoa only £36 to upgrade my Wavelab LE licence. Done.

[Compyfox]

Thanks SJ, the GUI looks a bit strange. Actually, this looks like the Crystal Resampler...
is there another resampler in the "Batch Processer"? Of so... then I guess I only have to figure out which is which. If not... not good IMO.



Question to the LE users:

Are the following modules in the batch processor?
- Audio Analyzer
- Loudness Normalizer

And the following function in the WAV editor?
- edit -> add silence


Just out of interest. Never used the LE version

[kenporter]

Nice update. A bit frustrating for me since I purchased and registered 8.5 on January 10th and therefore won't qualify for the one month grace period they give!

Ken

[SJ_Digriz]

Thanks SJ, the GUI looks a bit strange. Actually, this looks like the Crystal Resampler...
is there another resampler in the "Batch Processer"? Of so... then I guess I only have to figure out which is which. If not... not good IMO.

There is no mention of SoX resampler in the dock. It just says resampler. So either there are two and they are not identified, or there is one and it is in the batch tools.

But, there is a folder in the batch plugin list called Master Section built-in shown in the picture below. The only thing there is the Dither/Noise. You can see the resampler up in the regular mastering folder.


My guess is that the plugin version is the old one. But, there's no doc to confirm one way or the other. Here's how the resampler looks on the Master Section.

[jabe]

Wavelab 4 and Clean 4 won't install on anything modern. That makes no sense to me and I'm not happy about it, so I'll stick with Audacity, which does install on modern hardware

[Compyfox]

Wavelab 4 and Clean 4 won't install on anything modern. That makes no sense to me and I'm not happy about it, so I'll stick with Audacity, which does install on modern hardware

Er... Wavelab 4 is 32bit and had (for me at least) issues while installing on Vista and Win7 already.

You're using Windows 10 in x64 according to your sig. Wavelab is over 10 years old at this point. Maybe it's time to keep up? At bar minimum, get WL7 (second hand) as upgrading from WL4 would mean pretty much paying WL new? But only if you want to - which doesn't seem like it. Same as with pixel85 user on page 2.

My guess is that the plugin version is the old one. But, there's no doc to confirm one way or the other. Here's how the resampler looks on the Master Section.

I guess the only person that can confirm this in here (unless there roams another Steinberg rep on this forum), is GN - and he still ignores my posts. So I think a Tweet towards Steinberg is due. Last time they answered fairly quick as well.


IMO, this would be a deal breaker if the SoX reampler is NOT accessible via the Batch Processor.


BTW: I just checked in WL8.x regarding the resampler plugin. This one can go up to 384kHz and is even tagged as "Crystal Resampler". So there has to be a difference due to the fact that the resampler you posted as screenshot, can only go up until 192kHz - and that was the upper limit for the last stable SoX build as well (same with AudioMove). Which is kind of inferior if we go by the fact, that WL is capable of 384kHz!

Crystal_Resampler_WL8.png

I'll throw the tweet - then keep you updated on that.

[SJ_Digriz]

There is s customize option at the bottom of the list. You get all the other rates you need there and choose which to show in the main list

[SJ_Digriz]

Curious what you use 384 for. I use 192 a lot, but mostly 96. Never been asked for 384.

[Compyfox]

It's just an example. I'd really only use 384khz for massive oversampling.

I've seen studios having dedicated hardware OS modules that are at the first position right after the DAC, then at the last of the chain and first of the ADC again. It might be overkill for most users, but the effect is "subtle" - more like "felt". I won't say it's a "lift the blanket on your head" type of effect - that really depends on the actual recording.


But as example:
I recently had to edit a MiniDisk backup that I recorded from MD through my SRC hardware module. The recording was in 96kHz and the final format was 44/16. The 44kHz version actually lost some subtle high frequency content. Enough for me to notice it since my ears are trained. However the client didn't.


In practical use, I mostly go with 48/24 - rarely in 96kHz (haven't been asked to yet - except during creation of backups). However... unless WL9 implemented basic "Pure-Audio Blu-Ray" functionality, this format is only good for streaming and mobile players as of this moment.



Speaking of which - have you tried the HD-AAC format yet? If so, what's your opinion?
I sat out WL8.5, so my first experience with it will be once I upgrade to WL9.

I'm not unfamiliar with AAC-HE v2 however... and now that WL can finally render surround streams (hopefully also load them properly what has been rendered out of Cubase)... bring on the future (sorry OPUS CODEC).



EDIT:
Threw a tweet towards Steinberg. We'll hopefully know more in a couple of hours.

[pixel85]

I'm on Wavelab 4 and I'm using free alternatives now instead of upgrading. New design looks interesting but all this 'revolutionary' stuff is just marketing

As somebody that is with WL since v3, I can say that it's definitely not marketing.

Wavelab 8 alone has tools from other developers where you'd pay hundreds for it. Examples?
- iZotope MBit+ as upgrade to the Apogee Dither
- MultiRendering on Export incl. HD-AAC (Fraunhofer ProCodec in a "configured" version, from WL8.5+)
- Sonnox Noise Reduction (granted, LE versions but still)
- EBU R-128 Metering, Loudness Normalization and Analysis (initially cost hundreds with tc.electronic or Nugen Audio)
- (unsure on this, as I think WL accesses my Cubase plugin folder) Voxengo CurveEQ

And that is just on the "plugin" side.

And now we see the SoX Sample Rate Converter that is the "upgrade" to the shipped Crystal Resampler (not a command line tool anymore, which improves things DRASTICALLY, I've yet to see if there was a Batch Process Module)

So you didnt realised that I'm talking about version 9 which is main topic? And 'new' mastering suite is nothing more than old plugins under new gui.
SxX resampler - I'm using it for ages in Foobar. It's open source. Not big deal really.
Yes, new version have improvements. I just mentioned stuff that is annoying because it's making customer fool

[chk071]

I'm on Wavelab 4 and I'm using free alternatives now instead of upgrading. New design looks interesting but all this 'revolutionary' stuff is just marketing

As somebody that is with WL since v3, I can say that it's definitely not marketing.

Wavelab 8 alone has tools from other developers where you'd pay hundreds for it. Examples?
- iZotope MBit+ as upgrade to the Apogee Dither
- MultiRendering on Export incl. HD-AAC (Fraunhofer ProCodec in a "configured" version, from WL8.5+)
- Sonnox Noise Reduction (granted, LE versions but still)
- EBU R-128 Metering, Loudness Normalization and Analysis (initially cost hundreds with tc.electronic or Nugen Audio)
- (unsure on this, as I think WL accesses my Cubase plugin folder) Voxengo CurveEQ

And that is just on the "plugin" side.

And now we see the SoX Sample Rate Converter that is the "upgrade" to the shipped Crystal Resampler (not a command line tool anymore, which improves things DRASTICALLY, I've yet to see if there was a Batch Process Module)

So you didnt realised that I'm talking about version 9 which is main topic? And 'new' mastering suite is nothing more than old plugins under new gui.

Um, do you know how old Wavelab 4 is by now (little hint: release 2002)? Of course most plugins are new, and not just a facelift. I've been using Wavelab 3.5 (i think) back in the days, and, as far as i can remember, there's only very few leftovers (if any) plugin wise from that version.

[SJ_Digriz]

Speaking of which - have you tried the HD-AAC format yet? If so, what's your opinion?

No, I went from W8 to W9 as well. I did get a set of files in HD-AAC 192khz once. I had someone else resample them to 96khz wav if I remember right.