Do you ever think compressors, suck?
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- Banned
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Robert Randolph Robert Randolph https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7328
- KVRAF
- 2226 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all
Pfft. Nonsense.
A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.
I love using compressors to make things sound different.
If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.
Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
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do_androids_dream do_androids_dream https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=164034
- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
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- KVRian
- 511 posts since 5 Oct, 2011 from Deep in the jungle
Agreed.Robert Randolph wrote:kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all
Pfft. Nonsense.
A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.
I love using compressors to make things sound different.
If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.
Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
Volume automation doesn't change the balance of frequencies like compression can. compression can definitely change the timbre / characteristics of a sound.
- KVRAF
- 5646 posts since 15 Dec, 2011
This. At least for the styles I dig.Robert Randolph wrote:Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
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- KVRian
- 1102 posts since 30 Oct, 2005
agree to disagree...Robert Randolph wrote:kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all
Pfft. Nonsense.
A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.
I love using compressors to make things sound different.
If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.
Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
- KVRAF
- 37445 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
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Robert Randolph Robert Randolph https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7328
- KVRAF
- 2226 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
No agreement here, I think you are wrong.kvaca wrote:agree to disagree...Robert Randolph wrote:kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all
Pfft. Nonsense.
A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.
I love using compressors to make things sound different.
If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.
Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
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- KVRian
- 1102 posts since 30 Oct, 2005
no agreement here, too...but Im too old for useless debate with people who seems to prefer that kind of modern dance music I cannot fully enjoy, so I would prefer if it remains as it isRobert Randolph wrote:No agreement here, I think you are wrong.kvaca wrote:agree to disagree...Robert Randolph wrote:kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all
Pfft. Nonsense.
A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.
I love using compressors to make things sound different.
If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.
Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
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Robert Randolph Robert Randolph https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7328
- KVRAF
- 2226 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
Well I can't stand that dance music either, so we're on the same boat there.kvaca wrote:no agreement here, too...but Im too old for useless debate with people who seems to prefer that kind of modern dance music I cannot fully enjoy, so I would prefer if it remains as it isRobert Randolph wrote:No agreement here, I think you are wrong.kvaca wrote:agree to disagree...Robert Randolph wrote:kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all
Pfft. Nonsense.
A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.
I love using compressors to make things sound different.
If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.
Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
Good ole rock 'n roll for me. (and some metal)
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- KVRian
- 1102 posts since 30 Oct, 2005
but I can barely hear any abused compression in good sounding classic rock albums /think the first album of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc.../Robert Randolph wrote:Well I can't stand that dance music either, so we're on the same boat there.kvaca wrote:no agreement here, too...but Im too old for useless debate with people who seems to prefer that kind of modern dance music I cannot fully enjoy, so I would prefer if it remains as it isRobert Randolph wrote:No agreement here, I think you are wrong.kvaca wrote:agree to disagree...Robert Randolph wrote:kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all
Pfft. Nonsense.
A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.
I love using compressors to make things sound different.
If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.
Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
Good ole rock 'n roll for me. (and some metal)
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- KVRian
- 673 posts since 6 Dec, 2015
In orchestral and most classical music, you want to preserve as much dynamics as possible, but I'm pretty sure *some* form of compression is applied, as long as it's not subjectively at odds with that goal.
I find the bet use of compression is probably in jazz music.
Disclaimer: I'm not a pro, so, it's just an opinion
I find the bet use of compression is probably in jazz music.
Disclaimer: I'm not a pro, so, it's just an opinion
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Robert Randolph Robert Randolph https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7328
- KVRAF
- 2226 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
Then perhaps you don't know how the original instruments sounded in the room?kvaca wrote:but I can barely hear any abused compression in good sounding classic rock albums /think the first album of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc.../
I clearly hear a lot of compression on the drums in that era, and the vocals especially. Very much so on the led zeppelin stuff's drums.
I've spent a lot of time recreating those sounds, and compression is very much a part of it in my experience.
- KVRian
- 1007 posts since 12 Sep, 2005
They would also sidechain gate the drums a bit, adding to the pumping. But I pretty much agree with everyone, learning what you want to do with effects is as much a part of developing your sound as learning your own style of instrumentation is (which of course can vary from song to song)Robert Randolph wrote:Then perhaps you don't know how the original instruments sounded in the room?kvaca wrote:but I can barely hear any abused compression in good sounding classic rock albums /think the first album of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc.../
I clearly hear a lot of compression on the drums in that era, and the vocals especially. Very much so on the led zeppelin stuff's drums.
I've spent a lot of time recreating those sounds, and compression is very much a part of it in my experience.
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do_androids_dream do_androids_dream https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=164034
- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
Compression is probably the main reason a lot of you folks like the music you like.. without realising it 
Led Zep used shiteloads of compression on their drums to get that huge sound for instance..
Led Zep used shiteloads of compression on their drums to get that huge sound for instance..
