Diva vs. Repro-5

[Urs]

Prophets OTOH go to 70+kHz when pushed to extremes. That's the difference you hear.

Hear?

At a cutoff frequency of 35+kHz there's no attenuation at 10kHz. That is what follows from my explanation

[rod_zero]

Most people give the vintage originals mythical qualities.

What I think is really happening is that software emulation got there, u-he, NI and Roland have really nailed some of the classic unit but people still don't believe they are that close, but IMHO there is one big bias in those "skeptics" and that is the expectation of the sound of the original vs the real sound of the original.

For example the Roland emulations of the Juno and Jupiter, most people agree the Juno is spot on, and many videos prove it. But not so much agreement over the Jupiter 8 model, nevertheless many videos show that the emulation is really there, still people are not impressed.

What I think it is happening is that people have come to overvalue the HW classics, because they are legendary and mythical they should sound grandiose, so when an emulation comes and it doesn't sound the way they imagined they conclude the emulation must be off, when in reality the emulation is spot on and the synth just doesn't sound like the person expected.

[Howard]

^what rod_zero wrote. Spot on.

[spacepluk]

I already own ZebraHZ and I'm actually trying to decide between Repro and Diva to complement the sounds I get from Zebra. I think I'm leaning towards Repro because I just have a lot of fun playing with it, and I would expect future Zebra 3 to close the gap a little bit against Diva for more complex vintage-style sounds.

What do you think? I would love to hear your thoughts/recomendations.

[Ingonator]

Personally i am quite happy having both here (or 3 with Repro-1 included with teh Repro package...).
Dva is overall more versatile but you could not really emualte a Prophet 5 properly with the included modules.

To get close to teh feature set in Diva you could use the Jupiter 8 modules but there are differences in both the sound and the feature set. For example in the Prophet 5 you coudl set teh PW and PWM independent for each Osc while in teh Jupiter 8 it is global for both Oscs. In the Prophet 5 you could do filter FM and audio rate modulation of the Osc A pulsewidth which is not possible with a Jupiter 8.

The Jupiter-8 has some advanced features compared to the Prophet 5 too like a 12dB LPF mode (besides the
24dB LPF), an additional HPF, an Arpeggiator, polyphonic Unison, poly glide/portamento and option for inverted envelope shapes.

While the original Jupiter 8 could not use multipe waveshapes per Osc like the Prophet 5 could do (as the Jupiter 8 had waveform knobs and no on/off switches) the Jupiter 6 could do this and the Jupiter Osc module in Diva too.

[Howard]

... option for inverted envelope shapes.

Repro has a jumper in the Tweaks page for inverting the filter envelope.

[Ingonator]

... option for inverted envelope shapes.

Repro has a jumper in the Tweaks page for inverting the filter envelope.

Hi Howard,

i mostly compared to the features in the hardware Prophet 5 but forgot to mention this is possible in the plugin...

[Stollmeister]

I already own ZebraHZ and I'm actually trying to decide between Repro and Diva to complement the sounds I get from Zebra. I think I'm leaning towards Repro because I just have a lot of fun playing with it, and I would expect future Zebra 3 to close the gap a little bit against Diva for more complex vintage-style sounds.

What do you think? I would love to hear your thoughts/recomendations.

So far I have found the Repro and Zebra combination to be an excellent pair. As always, Zebra will answer 70% of my synth needs, but Repro gives me a more defined analog synth sound for when I need that. I never took to Diva personally for some reason. Neither the gui nor the sound really speaks to me. To be honest, I don’t really need any other synth than Zebra. (I don’t even really need Zebra HZ.)

[pdxindy]

I already own ZebraHZ and I'm actually trying to decide between Repro and Diva to complement the sounds I get from Zebra. I think I'm leaning towards Repro because I just have a lot of fun playing with it, and I would expect future Zebra 3 to close the gap a little bit against Diva for more complex vintage-style sounds.

What do you think? I would love to hear your thoughts/recomendations.

I would not want to be without either RePro or Diva... If I absolutely had to pick one, hmmm.... not telling

[exmatproton]

To me they are too different to compare them.

However, if were to strand on a desert island with only 1 virtual synth, i think i would choose Diva. Because of the range of sounds it can produce.

If i were able to have, let's say, 5,,,repro-5 would be there as well, alongside Falcon, Avenger, Icarus and Diva

[David Else]

I think Repro-5 is much better sounding than Diva, but of course not so versatile.

[krankyone]

I played with both and I decided to go Repro. Can't exactly explain why. It's like trying to explain why you like the Guatemalan coffee better than the Honduran. It just tasted better.

[AnX]

Dva is overall more versatile but you could not really emualte a Prophet 5 properly with the included modules.

Obviously, otherwise uhe wouldnt have made repro5...

[nichttuntun]

Now that I have both Repro5 and DIVA, I have to say, they are both absolutely fantastic sounding but both also are based on completely different design and sound-architecture ideas.

Repro5 is a real emulation of the original cult-synth with some extra modulation features. There are some YT-comparison-videos which show how close they are to each other.

DIVA is a complex experimentation building kit based on interchangable modules more than a closed emulation of the different original synthesizers the modules are leaned to. And it sounds different than the original analog synths. For me that is the biggest advantage of DIVA. This can lift up your productions with something own, with a special character and not just a cloned sound...and DIVA sounds just awesome in any regards. By the way I think the MOOG modules by themselves sound very good and are somehow close to certain original revised models. Perfect for sound-design DIVA is.


My general thought about all this "how close to the original is the VST- discussion" is clear. Why should you use sounds which have been used by unnumbered artists over decades over and over again? To sound like Pink Floyd or whatnot? Isn´t it more interesting to not sound like them and move away from all the overused sounds, techniques and effects and find a way to express something which was created by ourselves? DIVA is perfect for that kind of thing and if that isn´t enough use a granular synthesis tool with DIVA, a real guitar amp or sample DIVA and do a re-sampling in a PPG-Wavetable synthesizer. You would be surprised

Cheers

[pdxindy]

My general thought about all this "how close to the original is the VST- discussion" is clear. Why should you use sounds which have been used by unnumbered artists over decades over and over again? To sound like Pink Floyd or whatnot? Isn´t it more interesting to not sound like them and move away from all the overused sounds, techniques and effects and find a way to express something which was created by ourselves? DIVA is perfect for that kind of thing and if that isn´t enough use a granular synthesis tool with DIVA, a real guitar amp or sample DIVA and do a re-sampling in a PPG-Wavetable synthesizer. You would be surprised

Cheers

Both Diva and RePro can sound completely original... particularly when one includes the capability of DAW automation/modulation...

And of course, two people can use the same sound and have a very different result...

On the other hand... I'd be very happy if I sounded like Pink Floyd