Thanks for the coupon..... and.....

[Robert Randolph]

So what happens to that extra money? Do you keep the extra?

I can not see people protest and insinuate wrong-doing as much in the forums of shops who have been doing this like forever. The absolute majority of shops with ShareIt IIRC.

I think what he was getting at is that due to this pricing model, you are making more profit off of americans.

The vast majority of americans pay no tax on purchases from non-american companies selling digital products. The few states with "use tax" laws do charge a small percent, but it's less than the U-he price increase.

I understand if you guys need to make adjustments to your store system, even if it nets you less money total... but it seems like you're dodging the question about making more money off americans and some other nationalities.

I don't really care either way, the products are worth it... but I wanted to chime in before this turns in to a massive thread based on some miscommunication.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I like the Fuse Audio Labs approach: so if the plugin costs $59, that's exactly what everyone pays regardless of locale. If you have VAT, the cost is reflected so the formula is (where x is the plugin cost): x + VAT = $59. If you're in the US, the cost is: x + Local Sales Tax = $59. The downside to this approach is that the higher the VAT or local sales tax, the less revenue the company takes in. The upside is that it's a very customer-friendly approach.

I'm not going to beat up on U-he for whatever approach they take even if I'll pay a bit more. This is the company that gave me RePro-5 for free, and will be doing the same for Zebra3. I'd be an ingrate to complain about a few bucks extra.

[Robert Randolph]

I'm not going to beat up on U-he for whatever approach they take even if I'll pay a bit more. This is the company that gave me RePro-5 for free, and will be doing the same for Zebra3. I'd be an ingrate to complain about a few bucks extra.

Exactly.

[cthonophonic]

I like the Fuse Audio Labs approach: so if the plugin costs $59, that's exactly what everyone pays regardless of locale. If you have VAT, the cost is reflected so the formula is (where x is the plugin cost): x + VAT = $59. If you're in the US, the cost is: x + Local Sales Tax = $59. The downside to this approach is that the higher the VAT or local sales tax, the less revenue the company takes in. The upside is that it's a very customer-friendly approach.

This seems to be the approach that u-he is taking. For those who are frustrated that this makes x higher in their locality, obviously, the solution is to ask your local authorities to raise taxes. Then you will be paying the same amount *for the plugin* as those in Europe. Problem solved!

[zvenx]

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This seems to be the approach that u-he is taking. For those who are frustrated that this makes x higher in their locality, obviously, the solution is to ask your local authorities to raise taxes. Then you will be paying the same amount *for the plugin* as those in Europe. Problem solved!

lol
rsp

[Urs]

What, ostensibly, is the gov giving you in return?

Something Alex Jones would call communism. Like, free universities and stuff.

[Urs]

I like the Fuse Audio Labs approach: so if the plugin costs $59, that's exactly what everyone pays regardless of locale. If you have VAT, the cost is reflected so the formula is (where x is the plugin cost): x + VAT = $59. If you're in the US, the cost is: x + Local Sales Tax = $59. The downside to this approach is that the higher the VAT or local sales tax, the less revenue the company takes in. The upside is that it's a very customer-friendly approach.

What you describe is exactly what we're gonna do. The downside of the change is, because of "the higher the VAT or local sales tax, the less revenue the company takes in" we have to adjust the prices up a bit to come out alright.

[lunardigs]

What, ostensibly, is the gov giving you in return?

Something Alex Jones would call communism. Like, free universities and stuff.

Haha! Yes, sounds very ... egalitarian.
Btw, bet you didn't know this; Alex Jones is a Texan of German descent! He's also an Aquarius. Plus, a local hero. In fact, we routinely have Alex Jones parades down here in Austin. Sometimes those parades will lead us into the capital building where we'll chant "TREASON! TREASON!", several hundred of us, all together.
... We also have really good barbecue and coleslaw!

[Urs]

What, ostensibly, is the gov giving you in return?

Something Alex Jones would call communism. Like, free universities and stuff.

Haha! Yes, sounds very ... egalitarian.
Btw, bet you didn't know this; Alex Jones is a Texan of German descent! He's also an Aquarius. Plus, a local hero. In fact, we routinely have Alex Jones parades down here in Austin. Sometimes those parades will lead us into the capital building where we'll chant "TREASON! TREASON!", several hundred of us, all together.
... We also have really good barbecue and coleslaw!

Yeah, I dig barbecue and coleslaw

[zvenx]

Got ya.
Afaik re: US you pay taxes if there is a retail store of seller in that state, I could be wrong.

https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/se ... /L4uTQCaIx
thanks
rsp

Seems like this is about to change:

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/21/technol ... index.html

The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that states can compel retailers to collect sales tax from even if they don't have a physical presence in the state.

rsp

[Robert Randolph]

Got ya.
Afaik re: US you pay taxes if there is a retail store of seller in that state, I could be wrong.

https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/se ... /L4uTQCaIx
thanks
rsp

Seems like this is about to change:

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/21/technol ... index.html

The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that states can compel retailers to collect sales tax from even if they don't have a physical presence in the state.

rsp

This is per state and won't apply to purchases from european companies.

[zvenx]

Got ya.
Afaik re: US you pay taxes if there is a retail store of seller in that state, I could be wrong.

https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/se ... /L4uTQCaIx
thanks
rsp

Seems like this is about to change:

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/21/technol ... index.html

The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that states can compel retailers to collect sales tax from even if they don't have a physical presence in the state.

rsp

This is per state and won't apply to purchases from european companies.

Are you sure that it wont'?
seems to suggest (and I haven't read the ruling yet) that it applies to any online sale or only for american companies?

But indeed each state can decide what they want to do.

Have no idea how they track such stuff though.
rsp

[Robert Randolph]

Got ya.
Afaik re: US you pay taxes if there is a retail store of seller in that state, I could be wrong.

https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/se ... /L4uTQCaIx
thanks
rsp

Seems like this is about to change:

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/21/technol ... index.html

The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that states can compel retailers to collect sales tax from even if they don't have a physical presence in the state.

rsp

This is per state and won't apply to purchases from european companies.

Are you sure that it wont'?
seems to suggest (and I haven't read the ruling yet) that it applies to any online sale or only for american companies?

But indeed each state can decide what they want to do.

Have no idea how they track such stuff though.
rsp

The states would not be able to try to extract sales tax from international countries.

The purchaser is already supposed to keep track of that in states where 'use tax' applies, but most people don't even bother with state taxes depite it being illegal.

So if you buy something from U-he, YOU are supposed to keep track of it and pay sales tax on it, international companies do not need to collect sales tax from americans _ever_.

[zvenx]

Got ya.
thanks
rsp

[Urs]

So if you buy something from U-he, YOU are supposed to keep track of it and pay sales tax on it, international companies do not need to collect sales tax from americans _ever_.

Our reseller (ShareIt) does that for us. We haven't got an exact overview, but we know that many states already collect whatever tax on purchases from us.