One Synth Challenge #152: WhispAir by Full Bucket Music (Aiynzahev Wins!)

[Full Bucket]

Am I doing something wrong or is this weird? I've attached a hopefully helpful screenshot.

Set the VCF EG to "ON"... you have it at "OFF".

Oh, now I see, it's something about the filter resonance at LP12... will check.

[ELEX]

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AudioTerm is only for the nerdiest of all nerdy dare devils...

It's very opaque indeed. Prospective users should really not ignore the info link.

When I was nerding for Vital I found that there's a 1024-per-cycle fork of Wave-Edit:https://forum.vital.audio/t/any-program ... -slot/4458. It should be possible to simply "resample" and get 2048-per-cycle... or somebody do a fork and change the constant in the code to "2048"?

Thanks ! I'd completely forgotten about WaveEdit

[Full Bucket]

Am I doing something wrong or is this weird? I've attached a hopefully helpful screenshot.

Set the VCF EG to "ON"... you have it at "OFF".

Oh, now I see, it's something about the filter resonance at LP12... will check.

No, working as designed. The LP12 is "almost-critically" damped, and at maximum frequency the feedback signal just vanishes (or else you would be drowned in terrible digital noise).
You have two options:

• feed a little bit Noise into the filter, or
• use LP24 for pure resonance sine wave (recommended).

[Full Bucket]

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AudioTerm is only for the nerdiest of all nerdy dare devils...

It's very opaque indeed. Prospective users should really not ignore the info link.

I love Audio Term! Many of WhispAir's wavetables come from it.

[scorkla]

No, working as designed. The LP12 is "almost-critically" damped, and at maximum frequency the feedback signal just vanishes (or else you would be drowned in terrible digital noise).
You have two options:

• feed a little bit Noise into the filter, or
• use LP24 for pure resonance sine wave (recommended).

Okay I will do that. Thanks for the reply!

[Double Tap]

Is using sample editors facilities(*) to handcraft single cycles of 2048 samples, all starting from emty files an option? It's not a vocal, it's not recorded from an instrument... is it "i.e."?
Opinions?

Totally acceptable imo.

Another thing: free wavetable editors can be found here ( Blofeld wavetable creator )and here: https://wusik.com/Audio-Term-by-Mathias-p384772988. For info on the latter go here . When using Audio-Term, the Serum format works best.

Thx, ELEX Let's wait and get little more opinions... not that there's again a "a**h**" slacky slack thread started elswhere.

AudioTerm is only for the nerdiest of all nerdy dare devils ... in terms of wavetables. I mean - my deepest respect to the original creators (It was started as DOS software for Ensoniq Transwave Sampler according to the Facebook page) that this software is based on and the guys that transfered the green screen into the 21 century
When I was nerding for Vital I found that there's a 1024-per-cycle fork of Wave-Edit:https://forum.vital.audio/t/any-program ... -slot/4458. It should be possible to simply "resample" and get 2048-per-cycle... or somebody do a fork and change the constant in the code to "2048"?

Personally I think the rules in the first post are pretty clear - wavetables are allowed, except where they're used to effectively create samples of real instruments or voices, (which was fun to do with Vital's text-to-wavetable, but seems to have been ruled out with WhispAir), so the screenshot seems entirely fine to me.

In fact, I'm not sure why you might think a real instrument could create a waveform of a perfect sine wave increasing in frequency, but perhaps you're actually making a different point.

[] Peter:H []

In fact, I'm not sure why you might think a real instrument could create a waveform of a perfect sine wave increasing in frequency, but perhaps you're actually making a different point.

My point is not to get disqualified by the spanish sample inquisition... again.

[ELEX]

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AudioTerm is only for the nerdiest of all nerdy dare devils...

It's very opaque indeed. Prospective users should really not ignore the info link.

I love Audio Term! Many of WhispAir's wavetables come from it.

So do I ! Getting along with it nicely now. Took awhile to get going, though.

[Double Tap]

In fact, I'm not sure why you might think a real instrument could create a waveform of a perfect sine wave increasing in frequency, but perhaps you're actually making a different point.

My point is not to get disqualified by the spanish sample inquisition... again.

Well you can feel persecuted if you want to, but there's no need. Dozens of people make tracks every month without being disqualified for using samples so I'm sure you'll be fine.

[RichardSemper]

About the wavetable rules stuff...

Here is how I see it:
Surely there should be no problem with any of this provided that the synth is not "used as sample playback engine i.e. to replicate recorded instruments or vocal phrases directly, but rather to synthesise, morph and mangle single cycle waveforms."
If (as was the case with PeterH disqualified track last month) the sample waveform imported to the synth could be loaded into a sampler and played back with pretty much the same sound and result as in the submitted track,the synth is clearly being used as sample playback engine, showing off nothing of the synthesis capabilities of said synth.
Of course, waveforms already included in the synth or created within the synth are fair game.

My point is not to get disqualified by the spanish sample inquisition... again.

Baiting! ...again.

A bit of history: iirc PeterH once used a sample massively speeded up, so that he could load into a wavetable and play it back really slow (lowest key) and still call it a 'single cycle' to stay within the letter of the rules. That month the dq came for not voting anyway so it went unchallenged by the moderators, though plenty of people had something to say about it on the forum.

Last month he brought samples into an MSEG for playback with the synth. When challenged he removed the 'obvious' vocal sample, but left in some percussions - which on inspection were clearly sampling, and resulted in a dq.

It seems that the challenge for him is not as it is defined on the site and in the rules ie: "The Challenge, as the name implies, is to make a tune with just one virtual synthesizer for all sounds, including percussion" but rather: "how can I beat the rules in a clever way?"

Dozens of people make tracks every month without being disqualified for using samples so I'm sure you'll be fine.

Indeed! Dozens of people make tracks every month without trying to use samples!

[FrogsInPants]

Regarding the swept sine, are you treating it as a single cycle of a waveform to be played for multiple cycles, or is it one-and-done, as though you were playing a sample? That seems to be the distinction being made in the rules, AFAICT. It doesn't look like a single cycle of a sustained waveform to me. <shrug>

[Aro]

I like the synth this month, but I finally got some mega free time from work. I'm probably going to hermit and go into receptive mode to make up for all the time I didn't get to think about my life in the last few months. I'll be listening though. Good luck everyone!

[IV!]

I like the synth this month, but I finally got some mega free time from work. I'm probably going to hermit and go into receptive mode to make up for all the time I didn't get to think about my life in the last few months. I'll be listening though. Good luck everyone!

Good luck, Aro, I like your choice! But, if the quintessence of your reception/perception begins to take musical form, then we will be glad to hear it!

[Taron]

Oh, what a beauty again! Thanks, Björn, for another gem!
Just a little question regarding "voice stealing". Somehow the first thing I run into is that the polyphony may choose to steal from the last set of notes, cutting them of, while likely other- almost gone- voices appear to be ignored? Not sure about it, but it's the first thing that happened to me.
Now that I write this, I've made a patch with a long release and it behaves just fine. Pffff... but, yeah, I'm assuming this may come up again.
However, boy, this thing sounds as beautiful as ever and seems to be wide open for awesome programming!
Very exciting!

[PietW.]

Is using sample editors facilities(*) to handcraft single cycles of 2048 samples, all starting from emty files an option? It's not a vocal, it's not recorded from an instrument... is it "i.e."?
Opinions?

Totally acceptable imo.

Another thing: free wavetable editors can be found here ( Blofeld wavetable creator )and here: https://wusik.com/Audio-Term-by-Mathias-p384772988. For info on the latter go here . When using Audio-Term, the Serum format works best.

Thx, ELEX Let's wait and get little more opinions... not that there's again a "a**h**" slacky slack thread started elswhere.

AudioTerm is only for the nerdiest of all nerdy dare devils ... in terms of wavetables. I mean - my deepest respect to the original creators (It was started as DOS software for Ensoniq Transwave Sampler according to the Facebook page) that this software is based on and the guys that transfered the green screen into the 21 century
When I was nerding for Vital I found that there's a 1024-per-cycle fork of Wave-Edit:https://forum.vital.audio/t/any-program ... -slot/4458. It should be possible to simply "resample" and get 2048-per-cycle... or somebody do a fork and change the constant in the code to "2048"?

It is very easy to create wavetables in Audioterm. You can create audio files or wavetables from 128 samples to 4096 samples. We made a lot of videos about how it works. Anyone who still has questions will receive an answer.