looking for multisamples of the 4 basic synth shapes

[juno987654321]

Sforzando seems to have this twofold structure of texts + (sometimes) additional .aria samples if necessary. (?)

With Sforzando it's all very simple:

There are two kinds of files that Sforzando works with:
1. sfz-text-files
2. wav-files.

You need to load the sfz-file in Sforzando. This sfz-file
then tells Sforzando where to find the wav-files and
how to play them.

You can safely ignore the Aria format (this is the purely
proprietary format for Garritan).

I believe that it works differently. The .aria file is more than just a raw .wav file? It's possibly a converted .wav file, specifically for Sforzando that may have some additional information for Sforzando multi-samples in it (?). It could be a quasi bundle of sample files of some kind then, though often (as in the experiment I tried) just based on one sample after all. The .sfz file in the end did not point to the .wav file I imported into Sforzando any longer but it did point to the newly created .aria file. The .wav file then became redundant and could be cancelled again but the .aria file seems to be the crucial part for this program. I don't know.

[Etienne1973]

At least I haven't found out how to do it on the classic Yamaha Motif. I'm looking for a good static and pure saw/sine... that has no attack, no LFO effects, no slight chorus, no pitch wobbling... built into it.

It doesn't matter if you use a wave from Motif8 Wave ROM or Sampling RAM.

1. You have to initialize a Voice in both cases.

2. Navigate to Element 1 and choose your waveform of desire.

Again: Basic synth wave shapes are already there in the Motif8 Wave ROM.

[juno987654321]

At least I haven't found out how to do it on the classic Yamaha Motif. I'm looking for a good static and pure saw/sine... that has no attack, no LFO effects, no slight chorus, no pitch wobbling... built into it.

It doesn't matter if you use a wave from Motif8 Wave ROM or Sampling RAM.

1. You have to initialize a Voice in both cases.

2. Navigate to Element 1 and choose your waveform of desire.

Again: Basic synth wave shapes are already there in the Motif8 Wave ROM.

OK, Etienne, I could finally do this but it was far from obvious:
I initialized a voice so I ended up with the Init voice.
The next steps were really not that obvious at all. How do I navigate to Element 1 and choose something from the wave list? How do I do this?
It involved pressing 3 buttons more or less by intuition and the manual was of no good help for this at all. I got lost in all the F buttons but
the crucial thing was to virtually press a button that says "1" somewhere on the right side of the workstation (after pressing exit and edit first!). This button is so far apart from the F and SF buttons section that I thought it could never be relevant now and, more importantly, in the manual it didn't say to do so. (Overall, the manual is a complete mess with bits of information everywhere like in a puzzle.) I successfully landed in that F1 osc section for element 1.

Here I could at last select the sounds from that mysterious wave list to use them as voices, e.g. wave no. 397 from the list as you suggested, the mod saw, but this sound is no good because it has some movement in it that you could not get rid of.

I then found no. 414-415 come closest to basic saws: P5Saw and OBSaw, a saw wave sample taken from an Oberheim, then, but I don't know what P5 might stand for...
There is also a sine and a triangle + basic noise.
A square wave seems to be missing, though.

OK, this part has ALMOST been solved (except for the basic square wave) but let me damn Yamaha's manual to burn in eternity for this! It is just soooo confusing and I now understand why the one who sold me this thing despaired on reading the manual, it's a complete mess!

Back to the start, the 2nd method yet to be explored. I still feel like trying out and importing some basic waveforms from multisamples to get to know this machine better, so if you have some good links please do provide them so that I could convert them and throw them in.

[Etienne1973]

A square wave seems to be missing, though.

Wave No. 443 -> FMSquare ?

[vurt]

p5 will be the prophet i expect?

[BertKoor]

Yamaha manuals are notorious for not making sense, unless you already understand how it works (and thus don't need the manual anymore)

P5Saw and OBSaw: Prophet5 & Oberheim are educated guesses indeed.

Missing the square wave? Is there a pulse waveform? Can you set (or even modulate) its width? A pulse wave with pulse width set to 50% is a square wave.

[Etienne1973]

Yeah. Square = Pulse Width 50% (static)

So the following waves could be perfect squares:

Wave No. 462 -> P50-1
+
Wave No. 463 -> P50-2

[phreaque]

If you are using Windows then this: Waveform Generator
It's free & very decent.
.
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[audiojunkie]

This has been a very interesting thread all the way around!

[enroe]

Sforzando seems to have this twofold structure of texts + (sometimes) additional .aria samples if necessary. (?)

With Sforzando it's all very simple:

There are two kinds of files that Sforzando works with:
1. sfz-text-files
2. wav-files.

You need to load the sfz-file in Sforzando. This sfz-file
then tells Sforzando where to find the wav-files and
how to play them.

You can safely ignore the Aria format (this is the purely
proprietary format for Garritan).

I believe that it works differently. ... I don't know.

Believe me: I work a long time with Sforzando. It is as easy as I described it.

[HAL76]

That's right. I'm looking for the wav samples for all the, say, 88 keys so that I could drop them onto a sample player like Tal or Sforzando, etc. Alternatively, the 4 multisample files themselves would even be better, i. e. the 4 files that each already contain all their 88 wav files.
I think that this must have been done before for the basic waveforms but I just couldn't find anything thelike online.
Otherwise I'd have to go through the whole process myself which may be unnecessarily time consuming if the files already exist.

Billions of files out there. Try modularsamples.com @github

But be aware that the Term Waveform is as treacherous as the term tea.

Waveforms are unique beings and many of them have decided to live in my HD, so what is ur project about?

[lobanov]

I believe that it works differently. The .aria file is more than just a raw .wav file? It's possibly a converted .wav file, specifically for Sforzando that may have some additional information for Sforzando multi-samples in it (?). It could be a quasi bundle of sample files of some kind then, though often (as in the experiment I tried) just based on one sample after all. The .sfz file in the end did not point to the .wav file I imported into Sforzando any longer but it did point to the newly created .aria file. The .wav file then became redundant and could be cancelled again but the .aria file seems to be the crucial part for this program. I don't know.

I own a Garritan library, all files have .aria extension. I never created .sfz in Sforzando and use it for playback only. But I converted some soundfonts (.sf2) banks to .sfz and I've got .sfz and .wav files (not .aria).

You can create .sfz in any text editor and then use them in Sforzando. Or use something like this: https://www.polyphone-soundfonts.com/. Polyphone is intended for soundfonts but it can export .sfz files.

[Biome_Digital]

How about this: https://newloops.com/products/rhymes-with-rogue-leads

Includes - 624 raw oscillator samples including Sine, Triangle, Triangle-Saw, Saw, Saw-Square, Square, Square-Pulse, and Pulse. Separate formats — Kontakt, Ableton Live, Reason Refill, and SoundFonts/Zampler.

Also a bit cheaper in a bundle - https://newloops.com/products/kontakt-synth-bundle-1

[JeffLearman]

Sforzando seems to have this twofold structure of texts + (sometimes) additional .aria samples if necessary. (?)

With Sforzando it's all very simple:

There are two kinds of files that Sforzando works with:
1. sfz-text-files
2. wav-files.

You need to load the sfz-file in Sforzando. This sfz-file
then tells Sforzando where to find the wav-files and
how to play them.

You can safely ignore the Aria format (this is the purely
proprietary format for Garritan).

I believe that it works differently. ... I don't know.

Believe me: I work a long time with Sforzando. It is as easy as I described it.

Me too, and Enroe is right, with one nit: should have said "samples" instead of "wav" because different formats are supported (depends on the player) including wav, aiff, ogg-vorbis, flac, and possibly others. But I bet Enroe was just keeping it simple.

[juno987654321]

Thanks. You helped me make sense of some things that puzzled me. I can now proceed from there more easily.