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CynicalSmile · Post by **CynicalSmile** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:27 pm

Spaceman,

You stated that you are enjoying v4 much more than v3. Are they that different (aside from all the surround and freeze things I have no use for....yet)???

From what I read these seemed to be the only things they really changed...surround, freeze, and a couple of plugs.

Thanks.

Armadillo · Post by **Armadillo** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:27 pm

Quincy and Rabid, 6 and 7 hosts. Outrageous.

Do you guys ever get any music done? With that amount of hosts I can't imagine that you do.
You must either be stinking rich technology freaks who just need to try everything and know everything inside out, or be the most hardcore producers around who could bang out a top 10 in his sleep.
Otherwise it's purely insane.

I have just *downgraded*

to Cubase SE, realized that I can do 97% of what I did in SX. I do also have Reason, which is a nice supplement, but it is not used for any sequencing purposes. And besides, I won it in a competition, otherwise I probably wouldn't have got it.

So, let me hear your masterpieces.

rsmus7 · Post by **rsmus7** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:28 pm

May be I have to look for another host at manchester?

poem for my friend GB:

Cause my host
is all lost

somewhere outa space
looks for a new face
and I need a beer
so I´m waitin here

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:33 pm

i eagerly wait for the end of the month when i'll get my S4PE...

coin coin

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:34 pm

Armadillo wrote:Quincy and Rabid, 6 and 7 hosts. Outrageous.

Do you guys ever get any music done? With that amount of hosts I can't imagine that you do.
You must either be stinking rich technology freaks who just need to try everything and know everything inside out, or be the most hardcore producers around who could bang out a top 10 in his sleep.
Otherwise it's purely insane.

I have just *downgraded* to Cubase SE, realized that I can do 97% of what I did in SX. I do also have Reason, which is a nice supplement, but it is not used for any sequencing purposes. And besides, I won it in a competition, otherwise I probably wouldn't have got it.

So, let me hear your masterpieces.

Hi Peter. to the point as ever

Can I ask - does SE allow you to apply effects to the master bus, or route outputs in groups?

Armadillo · Post by **Armadillo** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:38 pm

yep, that's me.

HERE is a comparison chart between SE, SX, SL and Nuendo.

It's got 8 group channels, and 3 or 4 fx on the master bus, can't remember exactly. Enough for me anyway.

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:44 pm

Armadillo wrote: yep, that's me.

HERE is a comparison chart between SE, SX, SL and Nuendo.

It's got 8 group channels, and 3 or 4 fx on the master bus, can't remember exactly. Enough for me anyway.

thanks mate, that's about the only thing I can't do with Cubasis and I was thinking about getting SE soon-ish. I need this for me drumtracks etc.

oh, and can you draw automation curves?

quincy · Post by **quincy** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:45 pm

Armadillo wrote:Quincy and Rabid, 6 and 7 hosts. Outrageous.

Do you guys ever get any music done? With that amount of hosts I can't imagine that you do.
You must either be stinking rich technology freaks who just need to try everything and know everything inside out, or be the most hardcore producers around who could bang out a top 10 in his sleep.
Otherwise it's purely insane.

I have just *downgraded* to Cubase SE, realized that I can do 97% of what I did in SX. I do also have Reason, which is a nice supplement, but it is not used for any sequencing purposes. And besides, I won it in a competition, otherwise I probably wouldn't have got it.

So, let me hear your masterpieces.

Do i ever get any music done? f**k no!

I've said this before and i'll say it again no doubt, i'm in this malarkey purely for the fun of it. Its the process i enjoy not the finished product. If i finish something then its a bonus.

I have been an amateur producer for about 10 or 12 years, and in that time i probably finished maybe 20 tracks, 5 of which are any good, and none of which are anywhere near pro/commercial quality

And no i'm not rich technology freak, i'm a poor software engineering student who likes to have toys to play with when i'm not doing uni work

Oh and i only paid full price on half of those hosts i own, the rest were either free or bought second-hand for stupidly cheap prices.

Live 4 for £100, Tracktion for FREE! how could i turn deals like that down

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:45 pm

CynicalSmile wrote:Spaceman,

You stated that you are enjoying v4 much more than v3. Are they that different (aside from all the surround and freeze things I have no use for....yet)???

From what I read these seemed to be the only things they really changed...surround, freeze, and a couple of plugs.

the freeze is great (=works well and fast), I know you've always had the archive function in previous versions but bloody hell, this is better

I love the group editing, simple but useful
and the loop recording, especially since I'm horrible on the keyboard, works very well.. combined with the track layers..

nice to see they've taken over the navigator, together with the usual shortcuts I spend much less time clicking just to get to the right part of the track

possibility to mix down to individual tracks

metronome

many small fixes and additions

might not sound like a lot if you haven't used it but I can tell you that it's more than enough to make it my main and only host

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:47 pm

For the record, I do kind of agree with what Armadillo has to say. Why learn how to use so many hosts only to a certain level rather than one intimately? That said I use two, but for different functions in my composition process.

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:50 pm

spaceman wrote:might not sound like a lot if you haven't used it but I can tell you that it's more than enough to make it my main and only host

i can assure you that, being a Sonar 2.2 user i perfectly get how these little details can make the life much much easier...

i'd even say: it's a dream coming true.

CynicalSmile · Post by **CynicalSmile** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:55 pm

Spaceman wrote:

might not sound like a lot if you haven't used it but I can tell you that it's more than enough to make it my main and only host

Just to clarify, I own and very much love Sonar version 3. I was just one of the seemingly few that thought that version 4 came a little too fast, with relatively little to offer in new enhancements for the price (in my opinion, the weakest all around update yet). I don't mix in surround yet, and really don't need freeze, so I was just thinking that maybe I should just skip this one and wait for version 5.

That being said, I do love v3, and combined with Fruity as my drum machine....

couldn't ask for more.

Rabid · Post by **Rabid** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:56 pm

voozfr wrote:How the hell can you be happy with sonar? god damn it pisses me off on all the little things.... like the plugin manager (let me edit the f**king menu already), VSTi synths blow up just as easily with v4 as any other version (although the freeze is a great feature and this somewhat redeems the issue), does a default project HAVE to open up at startup, and i want to arrange the columns in the track view on the tabs.

and another one that pisses me off: DEFAULT THE AUDIO TRACKS TO MONO, not stereo, you assholes. of course i forget to change them, apply an FX to a mono track, and it comes back stereo. grrr. even a better idea would be to change the track type to the format of the data in the track. but no, that would too much to ask. or even better: just process plugins with the type of data i send them - mono returns mono, stereo returns stereo - and the audio track type (mono/stereo) become irrevelvent. the reason i bring up this particular FLAW is that it happens every time and must happen to everyone, so you can all relate.

i could go on for hours because every aspect has some annoying quirks that are tedious, needlessly repetitive and counter intuitive. and it's not just sonar, almost all apps suffer from the rigor mortis syndrome and programmer cluelessness to the workflow. the happiness with an app ends once you get deep into the details and have to spend tons of time working with it and end up fighting with the limitations... like: i have to delete one bus at a time instead of multiples or even all of them? really? grrr

but what ya gonna do? overall, sonar is the best sequencer out there.

btw, did they fix the midiFX and CAL issues? i haven't had time to test it yet.

You can always create a starter song with the configuration you want, then have it load up at start. I use several starter palets that load with basic synths already assigned to tracks.

Robert

Armadillo · Post by **Armadillo** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:58 pm

CypherOne wrote:
Armadillo wrote: yep, that's me.

HERE is a comparison chart between SE, SX, SL and Nuendo.

It's got 8 group channels, and 3 or 4 fx on the master bus, can't remember exactly. Enough for me anyway.
thanks mate, that's about the only thing I can't do with Cubasis and I was thinking about getting SE soon-ish. I need this for me drumtracks etc.

oh, and can you draw automation curves?

Yes, the only differences between SX (1) and SE are the ones listed on the PDF.

Chickenman · Post by **Chickenman** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:02 pm

I still think Nuendo is the shizz.

The freeze is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gay though.

I'm completely happy with my host