cubase sx dongle im annoyed!!!!

[kagemusha]

b) the product is fairly priced (i.e. not Steinberg, ALL of whose products are overpriced compared to similar products from other developers)

What is comparable with cubase?

When developers like Steinberg - whose products, let's face it, have been full of bugs and behind the competition for some years now - have the arrogance to charge significantly above the going rate for their products AND the audacity to treat their customers like criminals in their implementation of copy protection, then they act like a magnet to the crackers. And if you ask me, they deserve what's coming to them.

Behind the competition for years?? I still have the impression that most software is based on cubase.
I think most people see f.e. Live as the reference and holy grail. Well .. I can't do anything with it and I can't find any use for it as I'm not intrested in stretching audio and loooping etc. So for me it's a poor application
I find eXT and podium very innovative but I still need Cubase. If you really would see what you can do with cubase you wouldn't make such statements.
Try to score a movie, try to make a score in notation, try to do real multitrack, audio library system, extensive midi editing and now play order track. with "comparable" applictions; I think there are few... and they all cost the same high price.

[kagemusha]

But hey the logic dongle has a nice ring to attached to your keys

So does the SX dongle.

Yey a little hole, that's not the same
To be honnest it sits there so hidden that I even didn't remember it.

[kagemusha]

i don't understand why I'm sitting here arguing about this. Must be bored

Au revoir

[headquest]

What is comparable with cubase?

Well, quite a lot of stuff actually...

On the Mac then Logic is the obvious comparison I guess - and the new Logic Pro bundle including ALL emagic's plugins puts it way ahead of Cubase in terms of value for money.

On the PC the only application that has it all at present is Samplitude, which quite simply knocks the spots off cubase, especially in its audio facilities and effects. Similar price or cheaper than SX3.

Behind the competition for years?? I still have the impression that most software is based on cubase.

Erm... I think that has changed actually - Cubase is now copying others:

So how come SX3 has finally implemeted a full-on freeze function that $80 Tracktion has had for the last 18 months?

And how come SX3 has finally implemented in-line editing that again Tracktion has had...right from the start, and which Digital Performer and others have had for a long long time...?

And how come SX3 has bowed to user pressure and stolen Live's audio warping algorythm?

I agree with you that Cubase has made a massive contribution to the whole sequencer paradigm...but that was 10 - 15 years ago, and they can't go on trading on their former glory for ever!

Right now, Steinberg are simply grafting on other developers ideas in an attempt not to lose yet more of their users to newer and fresher programmes.

If you really would see what you can do with cubase you wouldn't make such statements.

I do own a registerd copy of Cubase SX1... which I uninstalled some months ago... but thanks for the recommendation!

Try to score a movie,

Much better in Adobe Audition, and fully integrates with Premier Pro and After Effects, the industry standard video software...

try to make a score in notation,

... like most professionals I do all my notation in Sibelius, which I can send straight to my publisher...

try to do real multitrack, audio library system,

Adobe Audition again...

extensive midi editing

Cubase's main remaining strength, and the point at which it started all those years ago! I personally start projects in Sibelius, export the MIDI information into Live and/or Reason and take it from there...

and now play order track. with "comparable" applictions; I think there are few... and they all cost the same high price.

As an all-in-one application Cubase is still in there as one option, and remains popular with home studio users. Interesting to read in the Sound on Sound review that - after years of not being suitable for professional use, SX3 may have what it takes to regain the confidence of the industry.

Time will tell, but they really need to get all those bugs fixed...

[Goa Head]

Fact is all software companies steal ideas from each other. All these companies would be jack sh*t without the other. If you really look into all these hosts, most are identical, with just alternative roads to achieve. Emagic and Steinberg really paved the ways to how our hosts run today, and to say Steinberg has been behind for years is utter BS.

One thing that really annoys me is the fact the people always bring up how great Logics plugins are. Yeh, fantastic. That's not the host, the most important part. I always felt emagic/apple was sorta tempting kids with candy before they slam their wrath on the poor customer.

Little hole in SX dongle? Not really. It's more oval shaped but skinnier. Definetly large enough to hook a keychain through.

Edit: Ah, and Steinberg did not steal Lives timestrech. It was licensed from ACID. So does that mean Ableton stole from ACID? And Propellerhead did the same?

[ericj23]

whats comparable to cubase ?

logic is revolutionary - fraid not - nice but not reat plug-ins -ie buying better is not that hard - some nice synths tho - but then logic has only just got to automate more than 128 parameters on a vst - and to play two of them at once - stunning

or

try fun things like anything to do with midi in samplitude - or rewire for that matter - not to mention that its a sequencer with an even worse workflow than cubase - windows everybloody where

or using multi out vsts in audition

or any vsts in reason

etc -

sonar is cubases biggest rival and it has interesting bug problems too - but for some reason it doesnt attract half as much bile as cubase

anyone got a better explnation than that wierd thing children do of supporting the underdog ?


whats revolutionary in cubase - the system thing which allows all your settings on external mlan shit to be saved with the song

external fx plug-in - with delay compensation

but ask what was revoltionary in the following sequencers last time out - logic (we copied fx teleport)sonar (we have all the features of sx2) audition (can it do anyhitng wavelab 4 coudn't? - oh yeah it can implement vsts badly like ..) Acid

Ultimately none of the sequencers are perfect - or rather they are better or worse for some jobs - but cubase is getting close to being good at them all and certainly does everythign im interested in very well

a few nice synths/fx would really sort it - oh yeah and sidechained fx

but what has any of this got to dowith dongles ?

[headquest]

audition (can it do anyhitng wavelab 4 coudn't? - oh yeah it can implement vsts badly like ..)

- 128 audio tracks (Wavelab has - what 8?
- ReWire host capability (i.e. - in case you are particularly unimaginative - you can record your audio parts directly into Audition and bring in MIDI via Live/Reason/FL/etc
- DX as well as VST host
- full video support, including direct integration with industry standard Adobe Preimier and After Effects software
- significantly better spectrum analysis tools
- Acid-style (but better) looping tools across 128 tracks
- decent vocal extraction tools
- industry standard but automatic clip/pop elimination

Oh, and it costs less than half the price of Steinberg's Wavelab.

Perhaps you hadn't heard?

but what has any of this got to dowith dongles ?

Nothing. The point is that there are plenty of professional alternatives that don't use a dongle or insult their paying customers by their arrogance.

By the way, I missed SIbelius off my previous list. Now there's another professional program that manages to survive without a dongle.

[headquest]

Emagic and Steinberg really paved the ways to how our hosts run today,

True

and to say Steinberg has been behind for years is utter BS.

Untrue.

People have been saying this about Steinberg throughout the industry ever since VST5 was replaced by SX1. (The review of SX3 in SOS alludes to this). If you don;t believe me, check out the posts by Steinberg own users over on their forum - nothing but moans about Steinberg's bugs and their truly appaling customer service (as also evidenced in this thread)

Ah, and Steinberg did not steal Lives timestrech. It was licensed from ACID. So does that mean Ableton stole from ACID?

Steinberg licensing from Acid? How's that for forward thinking then - only about 6 years behind the times!

Oh and Live is widely regarded as a significantly better piece of software than Acid 4.

And Propellerhead did the same?

No, they came up with Recycle and REX all by themselves. Oh, and Steinberg had the good sense to implement that, too.

Following suit to keep their loyal fans...loyal.

[Stupid American Pig]

The sad part is that these companies are not listening to their users. I guarantee that the dongle idea was mandated by upper management, who think had been sold upon the idea by the dongle manufacturers. Im sure they had a slick presentation illustrating how much more money they would make buy spending hundreds of thousands on the dongles. I now make it a point to buy music software(even if I really dont want or need it that much) simply because they have a no hassle copy protection. I vote with my pocketbook. somepeople are not going to buy software no matter what the price is or what the copy protection is.

All copy protection can get hacked, its just a matter of getting the right minds to attck the problem-not that I am encouraging this behavior. I betcha that most cracked software is done not by expert experienced brilliant programmers but by young upstarts who want to "make a name" for themselves. Therefore, it may be a very difficult task to crack these things for them.

It really comes down to complacency. If we as consumers continue to support companies that make life more difficult for the end users then they will continue to do so. sometimes you have to bitch and moan load enough for the devs to get it through their head(I can already see another FL studio PDC thread brewing )

[Goa Head]

Headquest,

Cubase.net forums? Sure those are a mess. Only cause it doesn't require you to register with your license. It's most just unexperienced crack users who don't know what they are doing. Surely Cubase has thousands of more users than all hosts ... I'm sure this plays a factor as well. The more users the more compliants, even if the host is perfect. It's just what humans do, for some reason.

Propellerheads took the idea of ACID and elaborated it. A monkey could have thought up the idea. All originates for a single companys 'idea'. That was my point that you failed to see.

I can see you have some issues and it's pointless to argue this. So I'll let it be. But believe it, SX2/3, no matter how much you like it or not. Its the more well rounded product. Original or not. They must be doing something right. Keep naggin' if ya wish.

Good day, and cheers!

[Spe3D]

So who won! The dongle or the Serial Number?

I think not having a spare dongle could be a problem – they also seem much better than they did – Its got to be better than some solutions though. I think its unanimous that customers who are given the choice would prefer S/No or customised software in their name over a dongle (or at least have the ability to replace the dongle – (hardware meets software)

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

[Goa Head]

Spe3D,

Of course nothing/no one won! As always the last posts have nothing to do with the original topic. What else could you expect here at kvr?

[Quakemazer]

http://www.newegg.com/app/searchProduct ... rder=price

I've always wondered if you could transfer the liscense from the Cubase dongle onto any old dongle?

[ericj23]

so wavelab or audition

how many audio tracks has wavelab - unlimited - a little better than 128 sorry - it has 8 possible stereo outputs - so i understand your confusion

industry standard click and pop removal (your having a laugh sorry)

decent vocal extraction tools (you used decent and vocal extraction in the same sentence - you should consider a career in stand up)

OK it does have slightly better audio analysis tools - but slightly worse dvd authoring support - which one is more important ??

Wavelab hosts dx as well you know and has video support

so looping tools and rewire - sounds like acid - an application you then slag off at great length - hmmm so a really useful difference

you even slag steinberg for "simply grafting on other developers ideas in an attempt not to lose yet more of their users to newer and fresher programmes." yet its OK for audition to gain acid like features

Now wasn't recycle a steinberg product when it started - but somehow they are not being innovative when they use their own product ! rewire first appeared in rebirth - another steinberg product

and you rolled out that classic about samplitude having the beat of cubase - lets see - no rewire, lousy midi, terrible workflow (everything does not need its own window) - no score either

cubase is not perfect but it is as close to the do it all app as any other - and is frankly closer than anything on the pc

and back to the original point - why are dongles are a hassle - if they work - which increasingly they appear to do - just think all that support time can be foccused on real problems - not crack ones - good

[headquest]

so wavelab or audition

Depends on your needs, surely?

I don;t want to get into an arguement over this, because both are good. But you are wrong on a few points (as apparently was I...!), so for your interest:

industry standard click and pop removal (your having a laugh sorry)

No i wasn't actually! I am a professional myself, and know of many studios and professional producers who use Audition for this. Including remastering engineers when cleaning up old recordings (major record labels) and the BBC.

OK it does have slightly better audio analysis tools - but slightly worse dvd authoring support - which one is more important ??

Again it depends on the user. For me audio analysis is the more important of the two, because I'm a musician and teacher working with audio alone at present. I know that DVD-Audio is a new feature of Wavelab, and I've heard it works well.

Wavelab hosts dx as well you know and has video support

Yes, but not the same level of integration as Audition has. With Pinnacle buying out Steinberg I guess it may follow in due course though.

so looping tools and rewire - sounds like acid - an application you then slag off at great length - hmmm so a really useful difference

Actually I didn't slag off Acid at all, so please don't put words into my mouth!! I think Acid is another seminal programme with a great audio engine. Version 4 made a bit of a mess implementing MIDI, and Live has overtaken Acid in many areas, but who knows whether Acid 5 will change all that.

you even slag steinberg for "simply grafting on other developers ideas in an attempt not to lose yet more of their users to newer and fresher programmes." yet its OK for audition to gain acid like features

As I say, I like Acid features, so I consider that a useful bonus. What I prefer in Audition is the ability to use different clips within the same track though, as this makes the mixing stage somewhat simpler.

Now wasn't recycle a steinberg product when it started - but somehow they are not being innovative when they use their own product !

No, Recycle is a Proppelerhead only product.

rewire first appeared in rebirth - another steinberg product

ReBirht was a joint product by the Props and Steinberg, with the Props being senior partner in terms of owning and distributing the programme.

and you rolled out that classic about samplitude having the beat of cubase - lets see - no rewire, lousy midi, terrible workflow (everything does not need its own window) - no score either

I don;t use Samplitude so I can;t answer in depth, but I do know for a fact that it has ReWire, so I think your knowledge is out of date there. Also I believe version 8 sorts out your other points, but for more information check their website.

cubase is not perfect but it is as close to the do it all app as any other - and is frankly closer than anything on the pc

Your right that I have an issue with Cubase... Because I spent more than £500 on it, only to find that it repeatedly crached my system. It was the most unstable product I have ever purchased, bar none, and I know many other people who have had similar issues.

When I contacted Steinberg for support they were rude and unhelpful, as the original post on this thread again demonstrates.

I'm really glad that Cubase works well for you - as it obviously does - because having paid for it you really deserve the best. The features it offers are undoubtedly among the best - but ONLY if they actually work!

As a professional musician I need gear I can rely on. For me, that is the stuff listed below. I'm glad that you have a solution that works equally well for you. [/quote]