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Dr.Gunjah wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:46 pm @mogwaiboy: Never used RBass so I don't know if it behaves the same, but when I demoed Bass XXL I had a hard time to get decent amount of harmonics without making the signal much louder around the cutoff frequency. What kinda worked was to set the root intentionally an octave higher, so I wouldn't get too much low frequencies in the wet signal path.
However I haven't bought it because it didn't offer me enough control over the filters in both dry and wet signal path.I'm demoing bass mint at the moment which seems to work better for me, but unfortunately it doesn't have the midi note follow feature.

Edit: I wrote this because I still try to understand when I would use this plugin. The devs tried to explain it to me over at gearspace but apparently were annoyed by my questions at some point and basically told me "it's not for everyone".
I usually don't like the unpredictable nature of sub-octave generators - they can be a bit glitchy, follow behind the note, etc. I prefer to just filter cut the sub off whatever bass synth it is, replace those first octave notes with a sine(ish)wave, then mix them together as "upper" and "lower/sub" bass layers. The separation also means you can easily mono the sub layer but have some width in the upper bass. It's the cleanest most controlled way to do it - no need for relying on anything to follow midi, you program the midi (and you can have the sub play extra fills and even harmonies too).

Sorry I went on a tangent there - what I mean is... RBass and Bass XXL don't do that sub-octave synthesis like most bass enhancers - they are much more about just adding weight, making the bass bigger in the frequency space it takes up - making it more apparent on small speakers etc. Parallel harmonics also bring in a kind of upwards compression effect too and even out some of the dips - adding power and presence overall.

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That's the effect i was looking for but I wasn't able to achieve it (easily) with the plugin. For example, if I set root to 50hz and solo the wet signal I see quite some energy at 50hz in addition to the harmonics I actually want. Isn't that counterproductive, as it will increase the overall volume and not just perceived loudness?

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So what happens if you want to enhance bass content of acoustic instruments, say ? Is this plugin suitable or is it mainly for EDM etc ? Are there any Vst that would enhance the low-end of something like acoustic bass or guitar? Just to give more natural-sounding low-end to a track ?

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hotmitts wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:57 pm So what happens if you want to enhance bass content of acoustic instruments, say ? Is this plugin suitable or is it mainly for EDM etc ? Are there any Vst that would enhance the low-end of something like acoustic bass or guitar? Just to give more natural-sounding low-end to a track ?
damn good question sir ! haha

Considering buying this, wondering how it compare to others ? It sounds OK on acoustic guitar to my tired ears , anyway

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It wasn't for me, but if it sounds good to your ears go ahead and buy it. I would just advice to make sure you have loudness compensation active when testing this plugin because in my tests it almost always added loudness and louder sounds better in most cases.

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Dr.Gunjah wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:12 pm It wasn't for me, but if it sounds good to your ears go ahead and buy it. I would just advice to make sure you have loudness compensation active when testing this plugin because in my tests it almost always added loudness and louder sounds better in most cases.
Thanks Dr Gunjah, fair point, i did try matching the output slider to the 'before' volume, maybe I'll try a more scientific test like you say

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Before and after volume-matching is a must when judging what a plugin is doing.

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I did put 'gainmatch' on and test, it still improves the signal I'd say....however I dug out 'Bass Mint' from PA so need to test them against each other a bit to see if this is needed.

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Denise.Audio wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:44 am
Choikdoi wrote: Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:58 am Are license transfers possible now, since the change in ownership?
For the short term, we've kept the existing Denise policy of not allowing license transfers while we figure out porting customers over into our new system and some other backend improvements. However, we will re-evaluate this in early 2024 and if there's a demand from the user base, we'll try to make it happen.
Hey Denise, any developments on this front yet? Or just any indications on whether or not there was any demand for it?
Until forever fades away.

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