for many years, just never wanted to pony up. Also, im a gamer. Mac has always been
behind in that regard.
I like any kind of computer actually.
runnin away from Win
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- KVRAF
- 8685 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
I like macs, just never bought one, ive built a few hackintosh's and have used them for work
for many years, just never wanted to pony up. Also, im a gamer. Mac has always been
behind in that regard.
I like any kind of computer actually.
for many years, just never wanted to pony up. Also, im a gamer. Mac has always been
behind in that regard.
I like any kind of computer actually.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35525 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
absolute bullshit.4damind wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:48 pmo make a PC quiet, you have to do a lot of tinkering (water cooling, acoustic isolation, silent components, etc.). T
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRian
- 991 posts since 24 May, 2024
fanless pc's are not actually expensive.
i'm writing to you right now on one. i'm a poor guy but it's a decent system.
i put my linux daw on it.
this hype is lame youtube influencers trying to get $$$$$$'s from clicks/plays.
i'm writing to you right now on one. i'm a poor guy but it's a decent system.
i put my linux daw on it.
this hype is lame youtube influencers trying to get $$$$$$'s from clicks/plays.
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35525 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
goalposts on the move...
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 5444 posts since 15 Feb, 2020
Fanless computers for goalposts…
I lost my heart in Cap de Creus
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35525 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
I find it kinda amusing that the fanbois have glommed onto 'fanless' (as the new "Most Wonderful Thing Evar That Apple Completely Invented And PCs Never Had, Honest" for this year.)
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
Especially where it is not true, most Apple computers have fans (I mean the Macbook Air is fanless) Even the small Mac Mini has a fan, but it runs very slowly (about 1300 RPM).whyterabbyt wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 9:44 am
I find it kinda amusing that the fanbois have glommed onto 'fanless' (as the new "Most Wonderful Thing Evar That Apple Completely Invented And PCs Never Had, Honest" for this year.)
However, there are many Mini PCs that are passively cooled and have no fans. Hence the question of whether it is a passively cooled desktop PC or a Mini PC. You can't compare a Mini PC with an i7-4500U or Celeron N5105 etc, for example, with an M2 8 Core... the difference is like night and day in terms of performance.
Slow-running and large fans are almost always very quiet. The idea that fanless computers are the most wonderful thing is nonsense. This was already known 10 years ago when huge heat sinks with heat pipes and large fans became more and more popular..
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- 35525 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
irony alert.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 28 Mar, 2007
Errr.... the i7-4500 was released 11 years ago. I had a very quick google amd a mini PC with a decent AMD Ryzen chip, that is faster than an Apple M2, can be bought for £399 (475.50 Euro). https://www.geekom.co.uk/geekom-a5-mini-pc?gad_source=1 It says it has a "whisper quiet fan". I have zero idea how noisy or quiet it will be in practise ,but it is tiny and can be upgraded, and will easily run most VSTs.4damind wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:14 am You can't compare a Mini PC with an i7-4500U or Celeron N5105 etc, for example, with an M2 8 Core... the difference is like night and day in terms of performance.
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- KVRAF
- 2236 posts since 25 Dec, 2005
Adjust the Fan speed in the Bios
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
Yes, but the question was fanless mini PC because the poster wrote he has a fanless PCdellboy wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:49 amErrr.... the i7-4500 was released 11 years ago. I had a very quick google amd a mini PC with a decent AMD Ryzen chip, that is faster than an Apple M2, can be bought for £399 (475.50 Euro). https://www.geekom.co.uk/geekom-a5-mini-pc?gad_source=1 It says it has a "whisper quiet fan". I have zero idea how noisy or quiet it will be in practise ,but it is tiny and can be upgraded, and will easily run most VSTs.4damind wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:14 am You can't compare a Mini PC with an i7-4500U or Celeron N5105 etc, for example, with an M2 8 Core... the difference is like night and day in terms of performance.
CPU comparisons are always difficult... the 5825U is worse in single core performance than the small M2 8 core, in overall performance the 5825U is slightly better. And this is the smallest M2 CPU! But compared to the M2 Pro 12 Core, the AMD has no chance... and the Mac Mini Pro is also "noiseless". In my opinion, Apple Silicon is currently pretty much without competition, with the exception of the Snapdragon Elite from Qualcomm. But I honestly don't know anything about Windows on Arm, especially when it comes to music production.
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- 2772 posts since 28 Mar, 2007
Not sure how the thread got to "fanless PC", but the first post in the thread is about a Mac Studio which does have a fan. Personally, based on what I have read, I would be quite happy with the new M4 Mac Mini,256GB SSD and 16GB due out in October, which is said to be its base configuation. With the proviso that they do not hike the price. It will almost certainly have a fan, but will be quiet enough for my needs.4damind wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:07 pm
Yes, but the question was fanless mini PC because the poster wrote he has a fanless PC
CPU comparisons are always difficult... the 5825U is worse in single core performance than the small M2 8 core, in overall performance the 5825U is slightly better. And this is the smallest M2 CPU! But compared to the M2 Pro 12 Core, the AMD has no chance... and the Mac Mini Pro is also "noiseless". In my opinion, Apple Silicon is currently pretty much without competition, with the exception of the Snapdragon Elite from Qualcomm. But I honestly don't know anything about Windows on Arm, especially when it comes to music production.
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
Someone wrote that the fanless PCs are not expensive, that's why it went in that direction with “fanless PC”dellboy wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:32 pmNot sure how the thread got to "fanless PC", but the first post in the thread is about a Mac Studio which does have a fan. Personally, based on what I have read, I would be quite happy with the new M4 Mac Mini,256GB SSD and 16GB due out in October, which is said to be its base configuation. With the proviso that they do not hike the price. It will almost certainly have a fan, but will be quiet enough for my needs.4damind wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:07 pm
Yes, but the question was fanless mini PC because the poster wrote he has a fanless PC
CPU comparisons are always difficult... the 5825U is worse in single core performance than the small M2 8 core, in overall performance the 5825U is slightly better. And this is the smallest M2 CPU! But compared to the M2 Pro 12 Core, the AMD has no chance... and the Mac Mini Pro is also "noiseless". In my opinion, Apple Silicon is currently pretty much without competition, with the exception of the Snapdragon Elite from Qualcomm. But I honestly don't know anything about Windows on Arm, especially when it comes to music production.
I think the Mini M4 will be an outstanding computer. Probably a slightly different design and yes, if the rumors are true also with 16 GB in the basic version. If the cooling concept remains the same and again with a slow-running fan (approx. 1300 RPM) then the Mini M4 will be just as “inaudible” that many think it would be fanless
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- KVRAF
- 7849 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
Fanless PCs are also not very powerful.
So why would we even be discussing them for audio production?
This isn’t a home theater forum.
So why would we even be discussing them for audio production?
This isn’t a home theater forum.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP