I know you hate it - They hate us too

[ghettosynth]

While some of you are criticizing my work, just want you to know that 20 persons downloaded my VST for free in one or two hours.
While we are all saying that AI is bullshit, what is true, we all know that, we are alimenting debates and creating the opposite that we were seeking: an interest.
So thanks for your comments, whatever you say, that makes that my post is enough visible because of your critics.

that's because it's relatively new still. Wait for 1 or 2 years......

2 most probable outcomes; 1) LLM's have taken over most creative output. 2) LLM's are being put to rest.

(2) is not going to happen and the sooner that this is accepted the more realistic your perspective can be. Even saying that reveals that you just don't understand how useful that they are and how in the contexts that they are extremely useful, that there is no going back to pre-LLM and this perspective is not dependent on anything more ever being developed or available. Moreover, it is not dependent on anything obscenely expensive being available.

I use them every single day for work at the cost of electricity and sunk cost into consumer level hardware. EVERY DAY. Just on the basis of document understanding alone, they are amazing. You have a code base, you don't understand it, openwiki will generate documentation for the entire codebase for you.

I think that most of you would benefit from reading this book. Cory Doctorow is not an AI apologist and yet his take is very much aligned with my own. He distinguishes between centaurs and reverse centaurs. The former are people like me, who are able to control how the AI is used in their work and are experiencing amazing productivity. Reverse centaurs are those people who are being told to use AI by capital.



Cory is a sci-fi writer, among other things, and I really like his take on the silliness of the sci-fi takes on AI.

[CapnLockheed]

Clearly the OP believes that "the only thing worse than being talked about....is not being talked about." Ooops!! I fed the troll

[Innermost]

Could you not just say what the product is, without resorting to profanities?

I could yep.
And you, could you click on the link and read what is already written on the website in order that I don't waste my time repeating things already written over there?

your attitude won`t serve you well !


Even while i clicked the link, studyed the page, i still have no clue what *exactly* it does.
Is it writing plugins or is it writing music ? anyway, i`m not interested in an aswer.



and there are more folks trying to jump on the same train than you`d think.
We`ll have choices.

personally i think this whole thing, "attempting to cash in by delivering access to common AIs by apllying a inbetween layer" will completly explode.

and how important it is to have AI functionality as a plugin ? i doubt it that "this" is the point.
Assoon as one has to go forth and back might a more direct solution be quicker at the end.

You're right. Having an ADHD my attitude is s**t. I know what's the price of being me.
So, what don't you understand with my VST?
That's an AI (yes... I said THE word...) sampler designed for LIVE and JAM.
Having an ADHD as I said earlier, I love playing music, jaming, improvising. Then, thanks to Ritaline, I worked on this project for one year now.
Honestly?
Give it a chance.
Understand nothing and be curious when it's in front of you. Make suffer the AI models, destroy their sounds.
You hate AI?
Proove it.

[ghettosynth]

Could you not just say what the product is, without resorting to profanities?

I could yep.
And you, could you click on the link and read what is already written on the website in order that I don't waste my time repeating things already written over there?

your attitude won`t serve you well !


Even while i clicked the link, studyed the page, i still have no clue what *exactly* it does.
Is it writing plugins or is it writing music ? anyway, i`m not interested in an aswer.



and there are more folks trying to jump on the same train than you`d think.
We`ll have choices.

personally i think this whole thing, "attempting to cash in by delivering access to common AIs by apllying a inbetween layer" will completly explode.

and how important it is to have AI functionality as a plugin ? i doubt it that "this" is the point.
Assoon as one has to go forth and back might a more direct solution be quicker at the end.

You were just talking about how you were blown away by what's possible with vibe-coding. It would benefit you to have an open mind.

@innermost

I signed up for your beta. I also gave you some feedback on your first version. I use these models in Comfy-UI so I'm a bit familiar with them. I'll try your plugin and give you some feedback with respect to what I wrote earlier.

@everyone else

The model in question is text to audio in your DAW, for whatever that is worth to you, and if that's nothing, that's fine, nobody is going to lose sleep over it, but that's what it is.

KVR is starting to read like a bunch of boomers worrying about how the guy next door with his ham radio thingamajig is causing their washing machine to act up. I think this is how it happens, I think that this is how you get old. I refuse to join in.

[Aloysius]

This might help others. It showed up after a google which landed at reddit.

OBSIDIAN Neural - Open Source AI VST That Treats Musicians Like Musicians

I've been working on a different approach to AI music tools. Instead of generating finished tracks, this VST generates raw samples in real-time that you can actually work with.

The concept: AI as a sampler, not a songwriter. Generate tempo-synced loops on the fly, trigger them via MIDI, chop them up, process them - basically treat AI-generated material like any other audio source in your workflow.

Key features:

Real-time generation (30-second samples in ~10 seconds)

8-track sampler with MIDI triggering (C3-B3)

Auto tempo-sync to DAW

Individual track outputs for mixing

Built on Stable Audio Open

100% free & open source (MPL-2.0)

Why I built this: Most AI music tools feel like they're trying to replace musicians. This is about extending what you can already do - giving bedroom producers an intelligent jam partner instead of a ghostwriter.

Been using it for live sets (psychedelic techno at 110 BPM). It's not perfect, but it's honestly changed how I approach production.

Links:

Website: https://obsidian-neural.com

GitHub: https://github.com/innermost47/ai-dj

Demo: https://soundcloud.com/innermost47/outerspace

[Seafire Mk2]

Could you not just say what the product is, without resorting to profanities?

I could yep.
And you, could you click on the link and read what is already written on the website in order that I don't waste my time repeating things already written over there?

your attitude won`t serve you well !


Even while i clicked the link, studyed the page, i still have no clue what *exactly* it does.
Is it writing plugins or is it writing music ? anyway, i`m not interested in an aswer.



and there are more folks trying to jump on the same train than you`d think.
We`ll have choices.

personally i think this whole thing, "attempting to cash in by delivering access to common AIs by apllying a inbetween layer" will completly explode.

and how important it is to have AI functionality as a plugin ? i doubt it that "this" is the point.
Assoon as one has to go forth and back might a more direct solution be quicker at the end.

You were just talking about how you were blown away by what's possible with vibe-coding. It would benefit you to have an open mind.

@innermost

I signed up for your beta. I also gave you some feedback on your first version. I use these models in Comfy-UI so I'm a bit familiar with them. I'll try your plugin and give you some feedback with respect to what I wrote earlier.

@everyone else

The model in question is text to audio in your DAW, for whatever that is worth to you, and if that's nothing, that's fine, nobody is going to lose sleep over it, but that's what it is.

KVR is starting to read like a bunch of boomers worrying about how the guy next door with his ham radio thingamajig is causing their washing machine to act up. I think this is how it happens, I think that this is how you get old. I refuse to join in.

Is it too much to ask for someone to give a clue when they post a link tho? I said nothing about AI, but I don't see why I have to work at getting answers and get attitude . A very simple explanation would suffice and draw more interest/ traffic, no?

Edit: an example of a good introduction

viewtopic.php?p=9268774#p9268774

[Innermost]

I found that on my Github:

What OBSIDIAN Neural does
Type words → Get musical loops in ~30s. No stopping your creative flow.

Performance
8-track sampler with MIDI triggering (C3-B3)
4 pages per track (A/B/C/D) - Switch variations instantly
8 sequences per page - 256 total patterns for complex live sets
16-step sequencer with multi-measure support
Quantized page changes - Seamless transitions locked to measure boundaries
4 pair crossfaders with master bypass - Blend each deck A/B pair independently with model-aware color morphing, or toggle the entire crossfader section off for direct routing
Plug-and-play MIDI mapping - Auto-configured for the companion mobile controller, with bidirectional feedback (LED states, knob positions) on dedicated MIDI channels. To use: open the MIDI panel (piano icon, bottom-right) → Load Default Mapping.
MIDI learn on every parameter - Map any control to any hardware override, with persistent user mappings
Sound design
Per-page ADSR envelope - Shape the dynamics of each variation independently, editable directly on the waveform
Per-track gain control - Adjust each sample's level (-12 / +12 dB) before mixing, with visual waveform feedback
Per-track multi-mode filter - LP/HP/BP with 12 or 24 dB slopes, drive, cutoff and resonance for sculpting each voice
Per-track 8-band graphic EQ + master EQ - Independent frequency shaping on every voice and global bus, from 40 Hz to 15 kHz
Per-track compressor + master compressor - Full dynamic control on each voice and on the master bus, with threshold, ratio, attack, release and makeup gain
Per-track limiter + master limiter - Peak protection on every voice and on the master bus with adjustable release and ceiling
Per-track distortion - 6 character modes (Soft, Hard, Tube, Fold, Diode, Cubic) with pre/post gain and high-pass cutoff
Per-track chorus - Modulation effect with rate, depth, delay, feedback and dry/wet control for added stereo width
Tempo-synced delay send - 8 time divisions (1/16 to 2 bars), Stereo / Ping-Pong / Mono modes, per-track send level
Reverb send - Per-track reverb with size, damping, width and mix controls
Airwindows Console6 master bus - Analog-modeled saturation for cohesive mix glue
AI generation
Prompt bank with editor - Build, organize and reuse your prompts with model-aware keywords (genres, elements, moods, negatives)
Drag-and-drop prompts - Drop a prompt on a track to assign both prompt and AI model in one gesture
Sample bank with drag-and-drop - Every generation is automatically saved and can be reused across tracks and projects
LLM bypass mode - Skip prompt enhancement for faster generation when you already know what you want
Non-blocking generation - No pre-recorded samples, renders in background
Multi-model engine
In server mode, OBSIDIAN Neural offers 9 specialized AI engines - assign a different one to each track for its strengths:

stable-audio-open-1.0 - Versatile foundation, drums and full-mix textures (80–160 BPM)
Stable Audio 3 Medium - Next-gen flexible full tracks, isolated stems, FX (80–160 BPM) (also the local engine)
Foundation-1 - Tag-based melodic and harmonic phrasing (100–150 BPM)
Audialab EDM Elements - High-energy EDM leads, supersaws, plucks (100–150 BPM)
RC Infinite Pianos - Grand and electric piano performances (100–150 BPM)
RC Vocal Textures - Choral, operatic and atmospheric vocals (100–150 BPM)
SAO Instrumental - Melodic trap, lofi jazz rap, indie stems (75–160 BPM)
StableBeaT - Trap beats and 808 grooves (75–160 BPM)
gluten_v1 - Loopable melodic trap and wavy motifs (90–160 BPM)
The Local Edition runs Stable Audio 3 Medium on your CPU. The other 8 engines are available in server mode.

AI generation can produce unexpected results. Feedback welcome on Issues or Discussions.

DAW & Standalone
Automatic tempo sync - Incoming samples are BPM-detected with MiniBPM and time-stretched on load via Signalsmith Stretch to lock to your host tempo, with zero pitch drift
Standalone version - Run OBSIDIAN Neural without a DAW, with built-in transport and tempo control
Ableton Link (Standalone) - Bidirectional network sync of tempo and start/stop with any Link-enabled app
OBSIDIAN Neural is NOT a song generator like Suno or Udio. It's a performance tool: you build your track loop by loop, you're the composer, AI is your loop generator.

[Innermost]

Could you not just say what the product is, without resorting to profanities?

I could yep.
And you, could you click on the link and read what is already written on the website in order that I don't waste my time repeating things already written over there?

your attitude won`t serve you well !


Even while i clicked the link, studyed the page, i still have no clue what *exactly* it does.
Is it writing plugins or is it writing music ? anyway, i`m not interested in an aswer.



and there are more folks trying to jump on the same train than you`d think.
We`ll have choices.

personally i think this whole thing, "attempting to cash in by delivering access to common AIs by apllying a inbetween layer" will completly explode.

and how important it is to have AI functionality as a plugin ? i doubt it that "this" is the point.
Assoon as one has to go forth and back might a more direct solution be quicker at the end.

You were just talking about how you were blown away by what's possible with vibe-coding. It would benefit you to have an open mind.

@innermost

I signed up for your beta. I also gave you some feedback on your first version. I use these models in Comfy-UI so I'm a bit familiar with them. I'll try your plugin and give you some feedback with respect to what I wrote earlier.

@everyone else

The model in question is text to audio in your DAW, for whatever that is worth to you, and if that's nothing, that's fine, nobody is going to lose sleep over it, but that's what it is.

KVR is starting to read like a bunch of boomers worrying about how the guy next door with his ham radio thingamajig is causing their washing machine to act up. I think this is how it happens, I think that this is how you get old. I refuse to join in.

Is it too much to ask for someone to give a clue when they post a link tho? I said nothing about AI, but I don't see why I have to work at getting answers and get attitude . A very simple explanation would suffice and draw more interest/ traffic, no?

Edit: an example of a good introduction

viewtopic.php?p=9268774#p9268774

You're right. I could have do like everybody.

[Seafire Mk2]

See, even there...

Do you, good luck with that.

[jamcat]

Interesting concept.

So rather than search Splice, it's leveraging some generative AI service like Suno?
Who actually owns the generative AI service that its using?
What are the terms of use? Specifically, who owns your generated data?

What are the limitations to its ability?
Is this just good for drums and other senseless sound loops that require little to no musical context, or can it generate a backing string section or choir that fits your song?

Also, basic question: What's the bitrate / resolution of the output?

It is also interesting to observe how people kind of choose the reception they get. The OP could have come in like a professional and pitched what this does and got a positive reception, but he chose to come in hot and basically say "fight me!" so everyone did.

Anyways, let's move the discussion now to actual functionality and limitations of the plugin and service.

[Innermost]

Interesting concept.

So rather than search Splice, it's leveraging some generative AI service like Suno?
Who actually owns the generative AI service that its using?
What are the terms of use? Specifically, who owns your generated data?

What are the limitations to its ability?
Is this just good for drums and other senseless sound loops that require little to no musical context, or can it generate a backing string section or choir that fits your song?

Also, basic question: What's the bitrate / resolution of the output?

It is also interesting to observe how people kind of choose the reception they get. The OP could have come in like a professional and pitched what this does and got a positive reception, but he chose to come in hot and basically say "fight me!" so everyone did.

Anyways, let's move the discussion now to actual functionality and limitations of the plugin and service.

Everything runs locally on your CPU. Your data are yours.
Under Stability AI license. Since you win less than one million a year, you don't have to pay anything at stability ai.
Bitrate depends of your daw. Personnaly 48khz. Stable audio model generate at 44100 but the VST upsample or downsample in function of your settings.
Personnaly I love generating any kind of sounds. From drum, to guitares, synths, voices, fx... In fact everything depends of your creativity and your ability to hack the model.
Generated datas are yours.

[foosnark]

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[kritikon]

Strange. Being a twat is now a marketing strategy?

[VOODOO U]

Does this work on Windows 10 1407?

[Innermost]

Does this work on Windows 10 1407?

Yes. Linux, Windows, MacOS