Synthogy Ivory?
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 8 Jun, 2005
Sweet!!!
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- KVRian
- 691 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Silicon Valley
Musers and MuseFans,
I have successfully installed Ivory, and it plays beautifully. I don't see it utilizing more than 20% CPU during normal play. The sound is fantastic.
My typical latency test is to play the plug from my Yamaha S90 keyboard switched to a piano, and listen for 'flamming' on the attack transients. For Ivory, this is hardly noticable.
My other typical test is to play for minutes with the sustain pedal down, trying to choke the voice swapping. Ivory performs flawlessly here too.
A related note to this: pre Ivory 1.5, if you would play soft passages with the sustain pedal nailed down, over time you would hear a buildup of ambient noise from the samples. In 1.5, this is hardly perceptible.
While I like the PMI libs and others out there, I find the latency and playability issues with Kontakt to be present (and affecting the way I play - to avoid 'glitches'. Yes, I have optimized DFD and voice reserve settings too).
There still seems to be some random funkiness to the UI, but this isn't a big concern for me right now.
Bottom Line: I heartily recommend Ivory on Muse! Kudos Synthogy and Muse!
Regards,
Kevin L.
I have successfully installed Ivory, and it plays beautifully. I don't see it utilizing more than 20% CPU during normal play. The sound is fantastic.
My typical latency test is to play the plug from my Yamaha S90 keyboard switched to a piano, and listen for 'flamming' on the attack transients. For Ivory, this is hardly noticable.
My other typical test is to play for minutes with the sustain pedal down, trying to choke the voice swapping. Ivory performs flawlessly here too.
A related note to this: pre Ivory 1.5, if you would play soft passages with the sustain pedal nailed down, over time you would hear a buildup of ambient noise from the samples. In 1.5, this is hardly perceptible.
While I like the PMI libs and others out there, I find the latency and playability issues with Kontakt to be present (and affecting the way I play - to avoid 'glitches'. Yes, I have optimized DFD and voice reserve settings too).
There still seems to be some random funkiness to the UI, but this isn't a big concern for me right now.
Bottom Line: I heartily recommend Ivory on Muse! Kudos Synthogy and Muse!
Regards,
Kevin L.
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Bryan@MuseResearch Bryan@MuseResearch https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9067
- MUSEician
- 618 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Silicon Valley
Thanks for the feedback Kevin. We still need to work on the instructions for installing it (people are forgetting to convert the samples after they install them, step number 3 in our instructions) but I'm glad to hear it is working well for you!
Cheers
bryan
Cheers
bryan
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- KVRer
- 26 posts since 12 Nov, 2005
At what buffer size were you playing? I tried Ivory on my home PC with a latency of 3ms and 5ms (yes, this includes midi-latency (.5 ms) and DA-latency (1ms)). Despite the fact that some people claim that no one can notice the difference, I felt disconnected at 5ms. I read posts where people claimed that Ivory performed quite well at a buffer size of 32, but I need more confirmation before I'm taking out my wallet.
Regards,
Louis
Regards,
Louis
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- KVRian
- 691 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Silicon Valley
Hi Louis,
My default buffers were at 128. I didn't test many buffer sizes, and I am avoiding 32, since it causes problems in other plugs.
I don't really claim that nobody will detect latencies - for me, latencies seem acceptable, and I hardly notice - even compared against the internal sounds from the midi controller.
Regards,
Kevin L.
My default buffers were at 128. I didn't test many buffer sizes, and I am avoiding 32, since it causes problems in other plugs.
I don't really claim that nobody will detect latencies - for me, latencies seem acceptable, and I hardly notice - even compared against the internal sounds from the midi controller.
Regards,
Kevin L.
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- KVRist
- 91 posts since 29 Apr, 2005 from Fort Lauderdale, FL
Well, I have some good news.
After a grueling few hours, I managed to get Ivory installed on my 1.2gb, 160 gb HD Receptor. Grueling in the sense that each of the 10 Ivory DVDs takes about 15-20 minutes to copy onto the Receptor (I was copying directly from my Powerbook DVD drive). Then, step 3 of the install (which is when Receptor has to convert all those huge files into the proper format) takes much longer than I thought...probably somewhere around 30-40 minutes? Don't get discouraged at that point, you are almost home, and the payoff is worth it. I had to do a triple-click reboot to get Ivory to launch the first time...and then a system reset in order to get the patches to show up...but the authorization was a BREEZE and DAMN does this instrument sound great. I didnt have a lot of time to play (it was about 2:30 in the morning) but what I heard was stunning.
I was able to play with -no- glitching at 64 buffer on the receptor, and I turned ON the release samples (not the soft pedal samples though). For me, it was not enough latency to be problematic at all...feels just like playing my Triton's internal sounds, only it actually sounds good!
For anyone who has suffered with mediocre piano sounds coming from their rig, this is a godsend.
I now have Atmosphere, BFD (stereo), SampleTank, and Ivory all playing nicely on the Muse. Pretty cool, and my Powerbook has never been happier. The only big plugs I run on my DAW laptop now are the IK stuff....Miroslav and CSR, for obvious dongle-related reasons.
The bad news, if you can call it that...is that Uniwire is NOT quite ready for prime-time via the VST-RTAS wrapper, just yet. It does work, but only at a buffer setting of 1024 in PT, and 2048 on the receptor...way too high for any realtime performance. The latest beta version 2.0.1 of the VST - RTAS wrapper does not fix this, as we had hoped - at least it didnt for me. Any news on this front, MUSErs? I know this will get ironed out eventually for us ProTools fools.
To summarize: Ivory: thumbs up! Uniwire: not yet.
After a grueling few hours, I managed to get Ivory installed on my 1.2gb, 160 gb HD Receptor. Grueling in the sense that each of the 10 Ivory DVDs takes about 15-20 minutes to copy onto the Receptor (I was copying directly from my Powerbook DVD drive). Then, step 3 of the install (which is when Receptor has to convert all those huge files into the proper format) takes much longer than I thought...probably somewhere around 30-40 minutes? Don't get discouraged at that point, you are almost home, and the payoff is worth it. I had to do a triple-click reboot to get Ivory to launch the first time...and then a system reset in order to get the patches to show up...but the authorization was a BREEZE and DAMN does this instrument sound great. I didnt have a lot of time to play (it was about 2:30 in the morning) but what I heard was stunning.
I was able to play with -no- glitching at 64 buffer on the receptor, and I turned ON the release samples (not the soft pedal samples though). For me, it was not enough latency to be problematic at all...feels just like playing my Triton's internal sounds, only it actually sounds good!
For anyone who has suffered with mediocre piano sounds coming from their rig, this is a godsend.
I now have Atmosphere, BFD (stereo), SampleTank, and Ivory all playing nicely on the Muse. Pretty cool, and my Powerbook has never been happier. The only big plugs I run on my DAW laptop now are the IK stuff....Miroslav and CSR, for obvious dongle-related reasons.
The bad news, if you can call it that...is that Uniwire is NOT quite ready for prime-time via the VST-RTAS wrapper, just yet. It does work, but only at a buffer setting of 1024 in PT, and 2048 on the receptor...way too high for any realtime performance. The latest beta version 2.0.1 of the VST - RTAS wrapper does not fix this, as we had hoped - at least it didnt for me. Any news on this front, MUSErs? I know this will get ironed out eventually for us ProTools fools.
To summarize: Ivory: thumbs up! Uniwire: not yet.
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 8 Jun, 2005
Thanks for breaking ground for us with that Ivory Install. I use it on my Mac and love it. It was also a long haul the first time I installed it. I didn't realize that the samples would have to be converted to run on Receptor. Do you know if there's anyway to attach an external hard drive and copy? What I'd like to see Muse do, is make it available preinstalled so th user only has to authorize...
So do you have Miroslav Philharmonic from IK and have you tried that on Receptor?
Thanks,
Vincent
So do you have Miroslav Philharmonic from IK and have you tried that on Receptor?
Thanks,
Vincent
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- KVRist
- 91 posts since 29 Apr, 2005 from Fort Lauderdale, FL
Hey Vincent,
I think the conversion has to do with the files being in a "Mac" format, so even if you copied them from an external HD, you would still need to run the Ivory install tool to verify and convert the samples into a format that the receptor can use....but that was really no big deal. You actually dont even need to mess with an external HD if your mac and receptor are networked, you can just copy all of the files from your Mac over to the Receptor, when you get to that part of the installation process.
The program is probably too large to make it available preinstalled, but I have a feeling it will be a staple for a lot of people, for a long time.
Miroslav (which I own and love...check out the contrabassoon samples!) uses a Synchrosoft dongle that Receptor does not support as of yet. I hope they get that figured out with them.
-Matt
I think the conversion has to do with the files being in a "Mac" format, so even if you copied them from an external HD, you would still need to run the Ivory install tool to verify and convert the samples into a format that the receptor can use....but that was really no big deal. You actually dont even need to mess with an external HD if your mac and receptor are networked, you can just copy all of the files from your Mac over to the Receptor, when you get to that part of the installation process.
The program is probably too large to make it available preinstalled, but I have a feeling it will be a staple for a lot of people, for a long time.
Miroslav (which I own and love...check out the contrabassoon samples!) uses a Synchrosoft dongle that Receptor does not support as of yet. I hope they get that figured out with them.
-Matt
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 8 Jun, 2005
Hey Matt,
Thanks for writing back. This is all good to know as I'm waiting for the receptor to go golden... To my ears Ivory is everything that I wanted in a Piano and being able to take it live would be ultimate... Re: the install: Glad to know that at least I wouldn't have to go through the 20 DVD install part : ) (Coincidently by G5 Dually gave up the ghost and literally had a melt down when I first installed Ivory on my internal drive!) I forgot that Miroslav uses that "other" dongle : ) and I didn't know that receptor doesn't support that. hmmm....
I had to put Ivory on a external drive on my Mac to get rid of the "slow disk" messages... do you find that the receptor's internal drive is fast enough?
Thanks,
Vincent
Thanks for writing back. This is all good to know as I'm waiting for the receptor to go golden... To my ears Ivory is everything that I wanted in a Piano and being able to take it live would be ultimate... Re: the install: Glad to know that at least I wouldn't have to go through the 20 DVD install part : ) (Coincidently by G5 Dually gave up the ghost and literally had a melt down when I first installed Ivory on my internal drive!) I forgot that Miroslav uses that "other" dongle : ) and I didn't know that receptor doesn't support that. hmmm....
I had to put Ivory on a external drive on my Mac to get rid of the "slow disk" messages... do you find that the receptor's internal drive is fast enough?
Thanks,
Vincent
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- KVRer
- 4 posts since 7 Feb, 2006
How much hard drive space on Receptor does Ivory need?
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 8 Jun, 2005
If I remember right, I think on the Mac, Ivory uses close to 30 gigs!
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- KVRist
- 91 posts since 29 Apr, 2005 from Fort Lauderdale, FL
It is around 40gb if you install everything. Louis, I'll try late tonight to see if I can get it to play nice on mine at buffer 32 with 24 voices, release samples OFF...and then I'll let ya know how much snap crackling and popping there is 
-Matt
-Matt