Audio Units support in Mac OSX Tracktion 2?

[valley]

AU is (like DX on the PC) a format that benefits only a small section of the tracktion user base.

actually, AU spport might attract a whole NEW mac userbase.

Possibly, but so would REX support, high quality pitch shifting, blah, blah, blah... The difference is, that as ModuLR rightly pointed out, those kinds of features would attract users from both camps, rather than just users from one camp.

Still, some, none, all, of those things may be in T2. Who knows.

Either way, I suspect AU support will come sooner or later, because I suspect Apple controls its' OS efficiently enough to see that it does. I have no problem with AU support on T. I'm just bored of hearing the "PC users get it all" line over and over.

[Kiwiboyus]

I knew I had read about this: http://www.audiomidi.com/common/cfm/pro ... m?pid=3878

Tell me does Apple let you use Google or is that a no no also

Now quit all the bitching, cross platform Host should support cross platform plug ins.

DUH Please ignore me I put my neck out today and was feeling quite grumphy when I posted that.

[DHR53]

Apple doesn't "control" anyone... you can buy a PC or a Mac where I live... But if you want Mac users to buy your program, it would support AU... very simple! I don't even install the VST versions on my Mac... Oh, and by the way, I have 2 PCs also, so the mind control "theory" is getting a little tired...

[imember]

I might very well be wrong, but I have an impression that AU-plugs are easier to make than VST-plugs (for mac), and therefore we will see more shareware/freeware/donationware for AU in the future.

I also believe that most Tracktioneers are more eager for these kind of plug than the highpriced professional plugs.

What do you think?

[headquest]

So far as I understand it, the Tracktion philosophy has always to support cross-platform standards.

VST is a cross-platform standard. Neither DX or AU are - even though either or both may in fact be better

This underlying philosophy seems to be alive and kickin' in the decision to use QuickTime for video (rather than Windows Media, or something).

I understand where you're going with the argument that AU may become a Mac standard, but to be honest I can't see DP and Pro Tools abandoning other standards such as RTAS, et al.

So this could become another example of Apple cutting off their nose to spite their face - ... if they don't try to be just a little more accepting of others

[valley]

Apple doesn't "control" anyone...

Wow. You're a bright one, aint ya.

Apple control their OS, just like MS control Windows. That means to a large degree Apple gets to say what happens on their OS, just like MS did until the European courts started taking too much of an interest.

I have 2 PCs also, so the mind control "theory" is getting a little tired...

Tell me where I said "mind control."

[DHR53]

Apple doesn't "control" anyone...

Wow. You're a bright one, aint ya.

Hmmm.. "ain't ya"... now that's bright!

Apple control their OS, just like MS control Windows. That means to a large degree Apple gets to say what happens on their OS, just like MS did until the European courts started taking too much of an interest.

I meant they don't make you buy an Apple computer...

I have 2 PCs also, so the mind control "theory" is getting a little tired...

Tell me where I said "mind control."

I guess the question is, whether Apple came up with AU to "control" the standard, or to "possibly" offer a better way of doing it than Steinberg...

If you're doing the marketing for Mackie... you aren't going to do anything but guarantee Tracktion will be a PC only app... I go by usability, and how it funtions on the platform I'm using it on... It doesn't work as well on the Mac, and no AU is just one more negative... But as you've pointed out, you're not trying to sell it to Mac users, are you?

[warp x]

I'm sorry, but I don't get this "it should support AU" stuff at all.
Cubase does not support it, PT does not support it, but they are mac-apps, aren't they?
As a cross-platform user, I think we should focus on stuff that benefits ALL OF US.

[valley]

I guess the question is, whether Apple came up with AU to "control" the standard, or to "possibly" offer a better way of doing it than Steinberg...

I distrust that line of reasoning 'cos I've heard it too often from MS. They call it "embrace and extend." There are lots of computer standards that are less than ideal, but they remain in use because for better or worse, they are standards. I'm all for groups getting together and working to better standards too, but I don't like it when companies invent new, proprietary standards. Fr AU to be *better* than VST, it needs to offer at least the same level of functionality that VST does, and right now the VST technology's single greatest strength is cross-platform support.

If Apple, had made AU cross-platform, I'd have grinned a little cyncically, but jumped right on board if there were clear advantages over VST. However, it isn't, and there aren't. As a result, I'm feeling a little cynical, but I aint smiling.

If you're doing the marketing for Mackie...

Me? There's a very good reason why I don't work in marketing or sales, and I'd be surprised, and disturbed, if Mackie started beating down my door to offer me a sales job too.

Tracktion will be a PC only app... I go by usability, and how it funtions on the platform I'm using it on... It doesn't work as well on the Mac, and no AU is just one more negative...

But, and here we keep going back to the same point: there are features that *both* platforms miss. Which features should be added first, those that benefit just Mac or PC, or those that benefit *both* Mac and PC.

But as you've pointed out, you're not trying to sell it to Mac users, are you?

Am I trying to sell it to anyone? Not until I'm on commission.

If a Mac user asked me for a good sequencer suggestion I'd recommend Tracktion. I think you are still labouring under that weirdly cultish mis-apprehension that us PC users don't want Tracktion to be a Mac product. Perhaps you should have hung around teh forum longer, 'cos two of the strongest proponents of that particular conspiracy ended up looking very sill indeed.

Personally, I'd like to see a Tracktion for Linux, BeOS, Tru64, and any other OS you care to mention. I'd also like to se it taken seriously as a player on all of those platforms. I'm not platform rabid, I just tire quickly of those who are.

[nuisance sonore]

If Apple, had made AU cross-platform, I'd have grinned a little cyncically, but jumped right on board if there were clear advantages over VST.

Apple and cross platform? Now that's just plain silly Valley, at least as long as Klu Klux clan leader Steve Job is at the helm...

Remember the very first thing Apple did when they bought Logic? Stop all development for the x86 platform. The second thing? Establish a timetable for dropping support for existing x86 users...

The only thing cross-platform now is QuickTime, and even that doesn't work as good as it does on Mac OS.

Personally, I would love to see OS X ported to x86, probably wouldn't even be so hard considering the Unix under layer, not sure if I would buy it myself but a professionally developed alternative to Microslut would be nice and Apple is in a position to make that happens; but that won't happen as long as papa Steve is at the helm...

[AD80]

I think we should focus on stuff that benefits ALL OF US.

Makes sense to me!

[NiallM]

Actually, I think I read somewhere (was it a post by Urs?) that Audio Unit plugins could actually be built on Windows, as long as you had QuickTime installed. It's just that Apple never told anyone, and no-one's built a windows host for them (or compiled a windows AU plugin).

There's a good chance I'm completely wrong though , and dreamt the whole thing... I haven't actually looked at the Audio Units API to see if it's true.

- Niall.

[valley]

Actually, I think I read somewhere (was it a post by Urs?) that Audio Unit plugins could actually be built on Windows, as long as you had QuickTime installed. It's just that Apple never told anyone, and no-one's built a windows host for them (or compiled a windows AU plugin).

That'd be cool, if it's true.

The only concern would be Apple moving the goal posts in the way that MS does with SMB to stop interoperability.

[NiallM]

I'm kind of looking forward to GMPI myself. It looks like it could be a nicer standard to work with than VST (it seems like it's designed to be a lot more flexible for instance, allowing for plugins to implement their own alternative to MIDI, if I've read it right), and of course it won't be proprietry, which will be nice...

- Niall.

[IIRs]

I'm kind of looking forward to GMPI myself.

Me too: Jeff McLintock has expressed an interest in creating a future version of Synthedit, which will run under Linux, and export GMPI plugs.

Put that together with a GMPI hosting Linux version of Tracktion, and we can all kick Bill Jobs & Steve Gates out of our respective studios, and get back to talking about making music, instead of arguing about computer platforms..