Even though both sound radically different, neither one is "best." It would depend greatly on how/where the part is actually used/mixed.
The first one has both increased overall high end brightness as well as increased and more dynamaic bass response. But, because of the increased brightness, more grittiness is revealed, which can be advantageous or detrimental, depending on the above.
The second one has an overall darker character, as well as decreased and less dynamic bass response, but has a "flatter" type of frequency response (less of a "smily face" look), which again can have it purpose. Because of the decreased brightness, it has a less gritty character to it (in the high end).
Ok new Poll test one is44k one is 96k which one is best
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- KVRian
- 1440 posts since 16 Jul, 2003 from Zwollywood, The Netherlands (Europe)
I strongly object to call names. (like f### idiot)
Let us be civilised and polite!
But it is true both parts are not equally loud; I've compared them in Soundforge and noticed totally different wave shapes and rms values.
In my first post I already said that they don't sound equally loud.
Part 1 maxes @ -.73 dB left channel
part 2 maxed @ -.76 dB right channel
RMS value of the first 50 msec of part 1 and 2 differ by more then 3 dB?
My question is what are we comparing?
This poll give us 2 parts, but what should we listen to?
Let us be civilised and polite!
But it is true both parts are not equally loud; I've compared them in Soundforge and noticed totally different wave shapes and rms values.
In my first post I already said that they don't sound equally loud.
Part 1 maxes @ -.73 dB left channel
part 2 maxed @ -.76 dB right channel
RMS value of the first 50 msec of part 1 and 2 differ by more then 3 dB?
My question is what are we comparing?
This poll give us 2 parts, but what should we listen to?
-- Regards MrM --
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Spaceman Sounds Spaceman Sounds https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=56830
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 580 posts since 3 Feb, 2005
Look hlmst...name calling is childs stuff...I exported with no volume added to either sample. They are as they were exported...please try it yourself before shouting out that I am an idiot.
Its very simple..you take a vsti then export at different frequencies i.e nuendo running at 44khz and 96khz.
I DID NOT add any volume...its how the vsti reacted. The first part of wav is 96khz which you can hear..its clearer and has more depth...its not maybe the nicest sounding or usable but it IS clearer and a fuller sound.
Before claiming I am an idiot...do it yourself. If one is louder than the other then that is down to being exported at a different rate...I did not write the korg lagacy collection, just merely giving an example of how a sound differs at different rates.
For an idiot I've been done well in my carreer producing music.... so think "hlmst" before you call someone an idiot.
Its very simple..you take a vsti then export at different frequencies i.e nuendo running at 44khz and 96khz.
I DID NOT add any volume...its how the vsti reacted. The first part of wav is 96khz which you can hear..its clearer and has more depth...its not maybe the nicest sounding or usable but it IS clearer and a fuller sound.
Before claiming I am an idiot...do it yourself. If one is louder than the other then that is down to being exported at a different rate...I did not write the korg lagacy collection, just merely giving an example of how a sound differs at different rates.
For an idiot I've been done well in my carreer producing music.... so think "hlmst" before you call someone an idiot.
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Spaceman Sounds Spaceman Sounds https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=56830
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 580 posts since 3 Feb, 2005
I'm a bit dissapointed in some of the replies, this isn't cubase.net a dick swinging contest forum....
If one bit is a bit louder then so what ...you should be able to hear the difference "hlmst" regrdless if the volume was a bit louder. Maybe its a side affect of exporting at 96k???
If you people cannot trust my word that nothing was altered ...then I am in the wrong forum. Just thought we could get some adult prof. discussion going on here instead of childish remarks
If one bit is a bit louder then so what ...you should be able to hear the difference "hlmst" regrdless if the volume was a bit louder. Maybe its a side affect of exporting at 96k???
If you people cannot trust my word that nothing was altered ...then I am in the wrong forum. Just thought we could get some adult prof. discussion going on here instead of childish remarks
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- KVRian
- 1184 posts since 27 Apr, 2004 from Houston, Texas
Spaceman Sounds wrote:I'm a bit dissapointed in some of the replies, this isn't cubase.net a dick swinging contest forum....
If one bit is a bit louder then so what ...you should be able to hear the difference "hlmst" regrdless if the volume was a bit louder. Maybe its a side affect of exporting at 96k???
If you people cannot trust my word that nothing was altered ...then I am in the wrong forum. Just thought we could get some adult prof. discussion going on here instead of childish remarks
hey, i thought it was interesting.
thanks for doing it
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Spaceman Sounds Spaceman Sounds https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=56830
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 580 posts since 3 Feb, 2005
No Probs Mr M 
I think I just didn't explain it all as well as I could.
I think I just didn't explain it all as well as I could.-
- KVRian
- 874 posts since 4 Dec, 2004 from Alabama
I much preferred the first one, the second one sounded muffled in comparison. More crisp, the high's were pronounced, you could actually hear the grains.
I also own the legacy collection and it does sound better at 96khz, many vsti's don't.
I also own the legacy collection and it does sound better at 96khz, many vsti's don't.
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- KVRAF
- 8073 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Maybe it's just whatever is going on with my ears this weekend (lotsa pressure in the left ear, not quite a tinnitus thing) but I wouldn't call the difference "radical".
For no reason I could put my finger on, I liked the first part better. Seemed smoother.
But I really do wonder (A) how much you lose with any sort of sample rate conversion, and (B) if anyone can tell the difference in a full mix, particularly in (C) the kind of stuff I do
For no reason I could put my finger on, I liked the first part better. Seemed smoother.
But I really do wonder (A) how much you lose with any sort of sample rate conversion, and (B) if anyone can tell the difference in a full mix, particularly in (C) the kind of stuff I do
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- KVRAF
- 6323 posts since 30 Dec, 2004 from London uk
The test is interesting and I hope it evolves. Things like this can get heated but its constructive to examine things and take them apart to see whats going on. From that we can find out more about what we do with our tools and why they work like they do. Its made me examine the fact that my sound card does delta sigma oversampling which I had forgotten. I know thats not part of the idea behind the test but its food for thought. Spaceman Sounds has taken the trouble to make these waveforms for comparison and Im grateful.
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- KVRian
- 775 posts since 13 Jul, 2004 from Hull, United Kingdom
I preferred the first part as to me it sounded brighter and more lively - overall fuller and richer than the second, which sounded slightly stodgy. I suspect the first part is the part that was 44KHz originally. However I feel the test is flawed, because if the first part was the 44KHz original it has had no post processing and the second part has, which even at highest quality would result in a reduction in overall spectral content and loss of some of the higher frequency components, the comparison is therefore unfair.Spaceman Sounds wrote:Here are the exact steps I took to do this test.
I loaded up Nuendo 2 with a vsti, recorded a midi track. Set project engine to 44khz...exported wav at 44khz
Changed project to 96khz..exported wav at 96khz.
Opend R8brain from voxengo and converted 96khz recording to 44khz at highest quality.
Opend Soundforge 7 and pasted one wav onto the other....saved file and uploaded to my server.
NO foul play nothing added NOTHING. This is a straight export.
Here is the file http://www.atkr83.dsl.pipex.com/Test1.wav
Play it a few times before making judgment
Have a better one - Saul Cross 
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- KVRist
- 353 posts since 10 Nov, 2002 from The Dirty Wee Port of Glasgow
Hey Spacey mate
Good poll, and welcome to the wild and varied world of Kvr where the idiot mixes with the ingenious be prepared when you put anything up here to get a 360 degree representation of all possible angles and insults, i got called a "GMedia fanboy" once from someone who replied to THIS thread, just coz i stood up for the plugin i was working on at the time 
But the good thing about here is that you get an honest opinion about 90% of the time....... even if it takes people 5 tries to understand the question
Good poll, and welcome to the wild and varied world of Kvr where the idiot mixes with the ingenious
be prepared when you put anything up here to get a 360 degree representation of all possible angles and insults, i got called a "GMedia fanboy" once from someone who replied to THIS thread, just coz i stood up for the plugin i was working on at the time But the good thing about here is that you get an honest opinion about 90% of the time....... even if it takes people 5 tries to understand the question