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Spaceman Sounds · Post by **Spaceman Sounds** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:29 pm

Here are the exact steps I took to do this test.

I loaded up Nuendo 2 with a vsti, recorded a midi track. Set project engine to 44khz...exported wav at 44khz

Changed project to 96khz..exported wav at 96khz.

Opend R8brain from voxengo and converted 96khz recording to 44khz at highest quality.

Opend Soundforge 7 and pasted one wav onto the other....saved file and uploaded to my server.

NO foul play nothing added NOTHING. This is a straight export.

Here is the file http://www.atkr83.dsl.pipex.com/Test1.wav

Play it a few times before making judgment

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:35 pm

Tooo obvious which is which, and sound is subjective – some people want dirty that be no1

I voted second for this

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

MrM · Post by **MrM** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:38 pm

The first part sounds louder, the waveforms are not the same.

I like part one the most; it sounds fuller.

Spaceman Sounds · Post by **Spaceman Sounds** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:39 pm

True you can pick it out a mile... and true also that sometimes grungier is the better sound. But for which sounds purer was the reason for this experiment. I find bass at 96k is a big improvement.

MrM · Post by **MrM** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:42 pm

Spaceman Sounds wrote:But for which sounds purer was the reason for this experiment.

Then why is the topic 'Which version of wav sounds best'

Spaceman Sounds · Post by **Spaceman Sounds** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:43 pm

Beacause last time I let the cat out of the bag as to which wav was which and I got lynched.

MrM · Post by **MrM** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:52 pm

How can you ask me which one is purer if I ain't got the original?

It's like taking a photograph of a building and asking which one is best; that is always personal.
But if you asked me to compare the photo's with the building and look at colorsaturation, sharpness and ask which one is the best look-a-like of the real deal... That would be a totally different question.

I highly doubt the wave file shows the difference of recording; you didn't take a X kHz source that you once recorded at 96 kHz and once recorded at 44.1 kHz, did you?

What we here now is the difference in synthesis.

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:52 pm

Spaceman Sounds wrote:Beacause last time I let the cat out of the bag as to which wav was which and I got lynched.

Elephants transparency in action – friggin wonderful master limiter – I thought I would bump the volume a tad

Your wave with elephant across it – nothing else done

http://dspevo.com/Test1.wav

best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:55 pm

Wow! Before I voted, the ratio was 3:1, in favor of the first sound. That comes as a total surprise to me.

I voted for the second sound, and I was amazed that more people preferred the first. The only way that I can imagine people liking the first example better, is if their monitors had a shortage of treble response and the extra grittiness of the first example helped "brighten" the sound over their somewhat dark and muddy monitors. You guys weren't using those cheap PC flat-panel speakers with the patent-pending "Sheet-o-Cardboard" tweeters, were you?

take care,
McLilith

Spaceman Sounds · Post by **Spaceman Sounds** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:57 pm

Mr M Origional..which origional export would you like....

The origional 44khz origional export of vsti synth...

Or the 96khz origional export of vsti synth???

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:59 pm

hears a thing - I voted for the first one listening over the beyers

but after speeds comments i played it out the through dynaudios

can i change my vote ?

but doesnt that exemplify the problem - that any differences are well within the tolerance of the equipment etc you use - so unless your recording for 96 kHz (and i wish everyone did) i'm not sure i really see the point

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:02 pm

I liked the first part better but if I was to mix a song with either of these samples the final mix would have been the same by the time I'm done with it.

Spaceman Sounds · Post by **Spaceman Sounds** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:05 pm

True.. I never leave things as they are...but one recording has a lot more detail and depth to begin with

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:07 pm

Spe3D wrote:Elephants transparency in action – friggin wonderful master limiter – I thought I would bump the volume a tad

When I turn down the playback level on your example, to more closely match the original volume, the biggest change I can hear is a certain gritty, "strained" quality being added to the sound. It does seem to make the first and second halves sound more similar to each other, but at the expense of somewhat more grittiness.

Also, I have to wonder why you thought these pad sounds would benefit from a master limiter, and an increase in volume? You do realize that there is a type of distortion that occurs when PCM audio is played at maximum volume? The distortion isn't inherent to the file itself, but typically occurs in the DAC used for playback. Most, if not all, DACs have trouble reproducing absolute "full-volume" digital recordings, without adding some distortion to the sound.

take care,
McLilith

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:08 pm

Would you please post the 96kHz version, just for our further education and amusement?

thanks,
McLilith

KVR Audio

Ok new Poll test one is44k one is 96k which one is best

Which version of wav sounds best 1st or 2nd???