alternaives to protools

[headquest]

thanks for your suggestions!
audition no busses -> thats a big minus!

The person who told you this clearly doesn't know much about Audition - probably trying to promote his/her prefered software

In Audition you can create up to 26 seperate busses for fx.

Effects can be chained/mixed in parallel or serial formation.

One limitation for mixing in Audition, though, is that you cannot drop effects directly onto the master output. So for adding that final mastering effect you need to route through a bus. This is not a big deal, but does take a moment longer to set up.

Mixing in Tracktion is actually a breeze, in spite/because of the lack of hardware emulation. Another advantage in traktion is that it comes with the $399 Final Mix mastering suite plugin bundled free of charge. Final Mix is very much a top drawer application, and it's amazing to get such an expensive plug for free with a sequencer that costs less than a quarter of the plug's standalone price

[popsych]

@popsych: i tested sam today in the studio of a friend, VERY nice. but he said it`s a little buggy, did you also have a lot of little bugs?

No bugs here at all.

thanks for your suggestions!
audition no busses -> thats a big minus!

The person who told you this clearly doesn't know much about Audition - probably trying to promote his/her prefered software

In Audition you can create up to 26 seperate busses for fx.

Effects can be chained/mixed in parallel or serial formation.

One limitation for mixing in Audition, though, is that you cannot drop effects directly onto the master output. So for adding that final mastering effect you need to route through a bus. This is not a big deal, but does take a moment longer to set up.

Mixing in Tracktion is actually a breeze, in spite/because of the lack of hardware emulation. Another advantage in traktion is that it comes with the $399 Final Mix mastering suite plugin bundled free of charge. Final Mix is very much a top drawer application, and it's amazing to get such an expensive plug for free with a sequencer that costs less than a quarter of the plug's standalone price

I apologize for saying that about AA. It was my ignorance, not my bad intentions. For your information i've ordered my copy of AA and intend to replace WL with it. I just didn't really look into the mixer stuff as i don't like it or want it for mixing really.

[headquest]

I apologize for saying that about AA. It was my ignorance, not my bad intentions. For your information i've ordered my copy of AA and intend to replace WL with it. I just didn't really look into the mixer stuff as i don't like it or want it for mixing really.

That's no problem - and good news is that you'll be getting an extra you didn't realise!

AA can be a good place to do mixing, and the looping tools in the Multitrack view are a worthy alternative to Acid in my view (if you don't already have looping tools elsewhere, and are interested in that kind of approach!). The effects are great as well. "Lock" is the same as "Freeze" in other programs, which helps a lot with conserving the old CPU.

For recording I find AA the most transparent audio quality out of the programs I've used (i.e. Tracktion - which comes 2nd - Cubase SX, Live 4).

I've also migrated to using AA for all CD burning now. I like the fact that mastering, dithering, etc can all be part of one integrated process.

I'm interested that you are replacing WL with Audition. Both are obviously top-drawer. I've not regretted purchasing AA 1.5 at any point, and I'm sure you'll get lots of use from it. Why are you mkaking the switch?

If you have any questions feel free to ask them here or PM me. You'll find that the AA official forum is also an excellent place to get help - the moderator Ozpeter has really expert knowledge as do other regulars.

Good luck!

[popsych]

For recording I find AA the most transparent audio quality out of the programs I've used (i.e. Tracktion - which comes 2nd - Cubase SX, Live 4).

You'd better take that back as they'll flame you as they did me . Obviously all 32 bit programs are made equal

I've also migrated to using AA for all CD burning now. I like the fact that mastering, dithering, etc can all be part of one integrated process.

I'm interested that you are replacing WL with Audition. Both are obviously top-drawer. I've not regretted purchasing AA 1.5 at any point, and I'm sure you'll get lots of use from it. Why are you mkaking the switch?......

Reasons to replace wavelab are in order of significance.

1) It feels more integrated. WL on the other hand seems like a few UI's tore apart and glued together.
2) I like that it doubles as a proper multitrack.
3) Loved the frequency domain feature.
4) Audition has great effects, WL - not really so.
5) It's cheaper

I can see AA getting even better as Adobe starts working more on it. I mean see the diference 1.5 was to 1. Just hope they don't focus on video too much

[headquest]

You'd better take that back as they'll flame you as they did me . Obviously all 32 bit programs are made equal

Reasons to replace wavelab are in order of significance.

1) It feels more integrated. WL on the other hand seems like a few UI's tore apart and glued together.
2) I like that it doubles as a proper multitrack.
3) Loved the frequency domain feature.
4) Audition has great effects, WL - not really so.
5) It's cheaper

Those are good reasons and I'm with you all the way !

Frequency Spectrum editing really is something amazing - and unique so far as I know.

I can see AA getting even better as Adobe starts working more on it. I mean see the diference 1.5 was to 1. Just hope they don't focus on video too much

Yes - the doubts are all gone - Adobe really are committed to Audition in a big way. They now employ the main developers from Cool Edit days, and I can't wait to find out what they have been beavering away on when the next update comes along!

[Sascha Franck]

Slightly OT perhaps, but, as my demo of Audition expired (stupid me, installed it and opened it once in 30 days...), I'd like to know about the looping abilities of it.
I'm not talking about cutting loops but about finding proper looppoints, to save them with the sample and see them automatically loaded in the sampler of your choice.

WaveLab is doing a kickass job on this, and as I am sampling a LOT of things, this is a crucial feature for me.

Now, well, I allready own WaveLab, so I wouldn't need Audition for myself, but as I'm teaching all that stuff too I'm allways looking for recommendations.

Anybody knows?

[popsych]

Frequency Spectrum editing really is something amazing - and unique so far as I know.

Definetely not unique. Renovator did it first i think. Anyone have any comparisons between the two ?

[Newbie Brad]

Did anyone say try Sony's Acid?

Try Sony's Acid.

EDIT
I see someone said Sony's Vegas. It's good too. However for what you're doing Acid may be simpler. It's sooo painless.

[headquest]

I'd like to know about the looping abilities of it.
I'm not talking about cutting loops but about finding proper looppoints, to save them with the sample and see them automatically loaded in the sampler of your choice.

Audition can I believe slice up a clip, and it will automatically snap to zero crossings if you set it to, which usually ensures a successful loop.

But it stores loops in its own proprietry .cel format. I'm not so sure if you can save loop slices in other formats (but I know you certainly can't create .rex files, for example... nor can you in WL I think. You need ReCylce for that).

Anyone else able to advise?

[headquest]

Frequency Spectrum editing really is something amazing - and unique so far as I know.

Definetely not unique. Renovator did it first i think. Anyone have any comparisons between the two ?

I didn't know - my bad

A comparisson would be interesting. But I find it amazing tool in AA to be able to isolate a cough in a live recording and remove just those requencies without affecting others around them! Also being able to simgle out low frequencies for added compression for example. Great stuff!

Does Izotope Spectron also do something similar?

[John Vulich]

Did anyone say try Sony's Acid?

Try Sony's Acid.

EDIT
I see someone said Sony's Vegas. It's good too. However for what you're doing Acid may be simpler. It's sooo painless.

There's a reason no one mentioned it.

[Sascha Franck]

Audition can I believe slice up a clip, and it will automatically snap to zero crossings if you set it to, which usually ensures a successful loop.

Maybe my question was hard to understand, but that's not what I meant.
I meant loops embedded into the wave file header - which is what samplers do (or need) to sustain, say, a string sound endlessly.

Regards,
Sascha

[popsych]

Audition can I believe slice up a clip, and it will automatically snap to zero crossings if you set it to, which usually ensures a successful loop.

Maybe my question was hard to understand, but that's not what I meant.
I meant loops embedded into the wave file header - which is what samplers do (or need) to sustain, say, a string sound endlessly.

Regards,
Sascha

Samplitude does this just as you ask. Markers in wav file and everything

[Sascha Franck]

Samplitude does this just as you ask. Markers in wav file and everything

Yeah I know... but actually Samplitude is a bit too heavyweight for just this.

[headquest]

Maybe my question was hard to understand, but that's not what I meant.
I meant loops embedded into the wave file header - which is what samplers do (or need) to sustain, say, a string sound endlessly.

Regards,
Sascha

Sorry, I've not used Audition for this so I wasn't totally sure what you meant.

I have checked in the manual for you, and it seems that you CAN permanently save loop properties in AA 1.5. Specifically, whether the sample is a loop or one-shot, the nuber of beats in it, tempo, key/pitch, stretch method (is it beat-sliced or pitch-shift enabled etc).

I tried to do this following the instructions and it took no more than seconds to do - very easy. The file saved was a .wav.

If there is anything else I can check let me know. Alternatively of course, check out the demo - it's well worth it!