KVR Audio

OzoneJunkie · Post by **OzoneJunkie** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:16 pm

come on, let's hear some of those VSL sounds!

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:17 pm

Derek up North wrote:How does the scripting thing work with (for example) the guitar sounds? Do you set up a script to play, say, a major chord and then just play single notes on the keyboard for different chords? If so, how do you then change to a minor chord? or do you use a script to play a sequence of chords triggered by a single root note?

It's more or less like those "intelligent" accompaniements you may find in some keyboards.
Press one note = Root chord.
Press minor third in addition = Minor chord.
Press 7th in addition = 7th chord.

You get the idea... the concept is actually working pretty well, as each and every chord is sampled individually.
But believe me, you don't want to look at the script behind it... to me it's almost like chinese.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:24 pm

OzoneJunkie wrote:come on, let's hear some of those VSL sounds!

I'm no expert in composing classical parts at all - but if you'd provide me with some descriptive MIDI file(s) I'd gladly feed K2 with them.

No name · Post by **No name** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:35 pm

Jomdom wrote:Oh my god. The guitar!!

Ordering from Sweetwater now. I was kinda iffy, but now I'm... I'm...

Ordering...

Order 2! God will be proud of you!

dramsenik · Post by **dramsenik** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:05 pm

OK: keep in mind that classical stuff is not my cup of tea (even if i like to hear it sometimes)

here's a short short preview:
http://www.oskarlegroupe.ch/dramsenik/VSLinst.mp3

i know there's a lot of rev at the begining but what would be an orchestra without his hall; and so you have a preview from this Convolution module too...

at the end the CD is scratched so i cut it off...(i should have changed some inst. so...

)

maybe these samples deserve someone who is a little better than me and has more time to choose, adjust and mix them together.

fizbin · Post by **fizbin** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:02 am

Nice - I think the staccato patches should have been employed on the shorter notes though, in the interest of doing it justice. It's not a bad start at all, but using sus patches on short notes will sound like this - (or are those actually staccato patches?)

Thanks for the preview,
fizbin

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:13 am

dramsenik wrote:OK: keep in mind that classical stuff is not my cup of tea (even if i like to hear it sometimes)

here's a short short preview:
http://www.oskarlegroupe.ch/dramsenik/VSLinst.mp3

i know there's a lot of rev at the begining but what would be an orchestra without his hall; and so you have a preview from this Convolution module too...

at the end the CD is scratched so i cut it off...(i should have changed some inst. so...)

maybe these samples deserve someone who is a little better than me and has more time to choose, adjust and mix them together.

thanks a lot for posting this! concerning the composition it is not to be heard that orchestral music is "not your cup of tea". very good for the first steps. concerning the execution with the library it is not optimal...and I am riddling if it is the library itself or the lack of routine using it as a tool. sure, shorter staccs could be a solution. but anyhow...in this example the repetitions do not really convince.

but once again...big thanx for the insights into the library

any other examples are very welcome!

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:49 am

I'm afraid much "more" staccato isn't possible, when you look at a waveform like this:

The attack for my taste is rather long allready - from what I remember, violin players are usually playing them somewhat faster in staccato mode.

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:53 am

...looks like bad set starting points.....

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:27 am

TrekStar wrote:...looks like bad set starting points.....

No, I don't think so - it's actually the player's performance that is captured.
I mean, the sound is just played with a rather slow attack - so there IS sound all the way from the start point, it's just not having as fast an attack as you might wish it had.

zerobae · Post by **zerobae** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:40 am

The guitar sounds are awesome. Also, dramsenik, I find your strings demo quite nice! Not a bad attempt at all... although I too wonder if the repetitive character of the, well, repeated notes is a shortcoming of the library or could be easily tweaked in K2.

I don't think I can resist this thing much longer.

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:42 am

oddly i had a look at one of the staccatto violin instruments - the low velocity ones seem to have a much shorter attack than the high velocity ones

sort of seem back to front to me but i'm sure the vsl people know what they are doing

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:46 am

ericj23 wrote:oddly i had a look at one of the staccatto violin instruments - the low velocity ones seem to have a much shorter attack than the high velocity ones

In the patch I just looked at, the higher velocity zone samples almost all had a shorter attack.

But yes, there's some odd things happening in some patches.

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:51 am

@Sascha and all the others who like to experiment:

ok..here are two short midi files to test

1.legato:
http://home.arcor.de/captor/vln_leg_test.mid
1st violins, use the leg on the bigger intervals, assign the modwheel curve to volume, please no reverb

2. repetition/fast stacc:
http://home.arcor.de/captor/vln_repet_test.mid
1st violins, you might have to change the velocities...please no reverb...you could also increase the tempo...

thanks for all contributions

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:47 am

the violins dont have the repitition instruments - just legato - i will try and getone up for after lunch

anyone played yet the new kontakt II vienna sounds?