Yup, I'll get right on the phone to Fender.
Greg
upgrade price??
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I already have bridge saddles and 3 single coil pickups that I'm going to use in my Stratocaster. I wonder if Fender will send me one from the factory without those things installed. Surely it won't cost them any money to just leave those steps out. And since they won't be included, I don't want to pay for them either.
Yup, I'll get right on the phone to Fender.
Greg
Yup, I'll get right on the phone to Fender.
Greg
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- KVRist
- 443 posts since 12 Feb, 2004
Absoloutely valley...it goes both ways...does a £50 export here get sold for $50 or the respective exchange rate in export currency(electronic download)....I appreciate that costs can be more expensive here but sometimes the factoring and speculation on currency exchanges seems excessive...in fact I think you may well have partly answered why these large differences in price may happen....amongst all the fudge..nobody can really tell for sure what everything costs at a given time or over a period of time...we just have to trust that the price is based on a fair balance of all the variable costs....unfortunately at times they seem way of the mark and there is know way to really know for sure.
What makes me laugh is when I look at my credit card statement...so far and it may well be just co incidental....everytime the charge has always occured at the favourable rate toward the cardy demons within the days I get charged...not at the point/time of sale when checking with XE Com...no doubt the excuse would be it's when it's officially authorised....I reckon they have a bunch of hawks scanning all the purchases and waiting for the most favourable/speculative point to hit the bill X button....it must tally up over the long term though and of course it could go negative on them as you say.Forgive me I'm just cynical
George Soros are you possibly reading this thread
What makes me laugh is when I look at my credit card statement...so far and it may well be just co incidental....everytime the charge has always occured at the favourable rate toward the cardy demons within the days I get charged...not at the point/time of sale when checking with XE Com...no doubt the excuse would be it's when it's officially authorised....I reckon they have a bunch of hawks scanning all the purchases and waiting for the most favourable/speculative point to hit the bill X button....it must tally up over the long term though and of course it could go negative on them as you say.Forgive me I'm just cynical
George Soros are you possibly reading this thread
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- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
I doubt they go to that much effort, but you can bet that if you read your credit card terms carefully you'll find that the rate they charge you will be mre in line with high street conversion rates than the actual exchnage rates. I.E you pay a small percentage handling charge for the exchange.Motion wrote: What makes me laugh is when I look at my credit card statement...so far and it may well be just co incidental....everytime the charge has always occured at the favourable rate toward the cardy demons within the days I get charged...not at the point/time of sale when checking with XE Com...
George Soros
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Bundled software is just part of hosts these days. You wouldn't expect Steinberg to ship without their plugs? Or Sonar? It's just part of the package. Or even worse, what if someone wanted Reason without the plugs. Do you think they would do it? 
Anyway, I truly doubt there will be the option. But I say, in all fairness, that many of the included plugs are Mackie plugs that nobody has yet. There are the ones that are already in the demo, and then more coming, according to the fine print in the 8 page T2 ad in Electronic Musician.
So in all fairness, if you want to leave out the plugs, then you don't get those either. It would be too hard to let people pick and choose what they want. So you either get the plug-in package and use it, or don't use it.
I don't say this to be crude, but just to say that for each packaging option, it costs Mackie more money. They have spent months just trying to GET these plugs, plus a LONG time of Jules coding hard to get T2 where it needs to be. Plus, have you even SEEN how much advertising has been paid for? An 8 page ad isn't cheap in a premiere magazine. So even without the plugs, just to support Jules, and the time and effort that has been spent, it's worth the upgrade price.
I do understand however why someone wouldn't want them if they don't need them. But as I said, ALL new plugs should be discluded, including the ones you already have. And I know that NOBODY will probably already have these, unless they come with some Mackie hardware(as the Final Mix did with the D8B).
Koolkeys
Anyway, I truly doubt there will be the option. But I say, in all fairness, that many of the included plugs are Mackie plugs that nobody has yet. There are the ones that are already in the demo, and then more coming, according to the fine print in the 8 page T2 ad in Electronic Musician.
So in all fairness, if you want to leave out the plugs, then you don't get those either. It would be too hard to let people pick and choose what they want. So you either get the plug-in package and use it, or don't use it.
I don't say this to be crude, but just to say that for each packaging option, it costs Mackie more money. They have spent months just trying to GET these plugs, plus a LONG time of Jules coding hard to get T2 where it needs to be. Plus, have you even SEEN how much advertising has been paid for? An 8 page ad isn't cheap in a premiere magazine. So even without the plugs, just to support Jules, and the time and effort that has been spent, it's worth the upgrade price.
I do understand however why someone wouldn't want them if they don't need them. But as I said, ALL new plugs should be discluded, including the ones you already have. And I know that NOBODY will probably already have these, unless they come with some Mackie hardware(as the Final Mix did with the D8B).
Koolkeys
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- KVRist
- 92 posts since 28 Feb, 2004
I never asked them to work for months to include a bundle of plugs I don't need. An yeah, Jules did spend a long time, that I am willing to pay for. But, as alot of people have pointed out (often in the defence of Trackion) he is only one guy. One guy costs alot less than 40... And the 8 page ad. Should I have to pay for that? That should pay for itself by increased sales, not by increasing the price because if so, the add would have done nohing but making current customers pay more.koolkeys wrote: I don't say this to be crude, but just to say that for each packaging option, it costs Mackie more money. They have spent months just trying to GET these plugs, plus a LONG time of Jules coding hard to get T2 where it needs to be. Plus, have you even SEEN how much advertising has been paid for? An 8 page ad isn't cheap in a premiere magazine. So even without the plugs, just to support Jules, and the time and effort that has been spent, it's worth the upgrade price.
I do understand however why someone wouldn't want them if they don't need them. But as I said, ALL new plugs should be discluded, including the ones you already have. And I know that NOBODY will probably already have these, unless they come with some Mackie hardware(as the Final Mix did with the D8B).
Koolkeys
No I don't own all the plugs included in T2. But I own every plug I need. I don't need two licenses of RMIV. I don't need another amp sim. I don't need anything apart from an unlock code
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I also don't need 3 single coils for my strat. Unfortunately, it comes with 3 single coils and I have to suck it up.
Greg
Greg
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- KVRist
- 92 posts since 28 Feb, 2004
Yes or you could buy a body without pickups and mount any single coils you like. The 3 pickups are an integral part of the stratocaster design, don't like it, get another guitar. But what if every stratocaster came with 10 stomp boxes? Sure, at a reduced price, but still. They are designed so that you can only use them with that particular guitar and you may never sell them (unless you sell the guitar). Great deal for a beginner, but if you already own every single effect you need...Lunch Money wrote:I also don't need 3 single coils for my strat. Unfortunately, it comes with 3 single coils and I have to suck it up.
Greg
I would have been stoked if an offer like T2 was around when I started using the computer for music because it's really everything you need for a very fair price. But I do dislike having to buy things I already own, even if at a reduced price
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I can assure you that buying separate parts is more expensive than buying the Stratocaster by itself. And I didn't say I didn't like single-coil design. I said that I have my own 3 single coils that I want to use. They're made by Bill Lawrence, rather than just some crappy factory pickups.
You have to fully extend your analogy if you're going to make one:
- If there was a guitar package that came with a guitar that I really like, and a bunch of effects that I don't need, I could see if that company sells just the guitar separately. If they do, great. (Mackie has NOT said officially that it's all or nothing yet, that's still speculation, but I tend to think it makes sense)
- But if that guitar ONLY comes as the package with the effects, and I really want that guitar, then I guess I have no choice but to buy the package.
Greg
And I didn't say I didn't like single-coil design. I said that I have my own 3 single coils that I want to use. They're made by Bill Lawrence, rather than just some crappy factory pickups.You have to fully extend your analogy if you're going to make one:
- If there was a guitar package that came with a guitar that I really like, and a bunch of effects that I don't need, I could see if that company sells just the guitar separately. If they do, great. (Mackie has NOT said officially that it's all or nothing yet, that's still speculation, but I tend to think it makes sense)
- But if that guitar ONLY comes as the package with the effects, and I really want that guitar, then I guess I have no choice but to buy the package.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1615 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
As far as I can tell the only plug that is costing Mackie much of anything is RMIV - even though they must be paying something for Ticky Clav, Cheeze Machine, and Hexaline, these are freeware so it can't be much - and the Mackie plugs are no cost.
So they have little/no incentive to offer a discounted version without plugs. Plus they would need to have a distribution that had copy protected plugs yada yada so its not practicle and totally beside the point!
On the other hand we should be ABLE to download the damn thing I hope and not have to pay shipping and waste paper and gas I hope!!
So they have little/no incentive to offer a discounted version without plugs. Plus they would need to have a distribution that had copy protected plugs yada yada so its not practicle and totally beside the point!
On the other hand we should be ABLE to download the damn thing I hope and not have to pay shipping and waste paper and gas I hope!!
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 27 Jan, 2004
thats it. It worked with T1.
semiquaver wrote:As far as I can tell the only plug that is costing Mackie much of anything is RMIV - even though they must be paying something for Ticky Clav, Cheeze Machine, and Hexaline, these are freeware so it can't be much - and the Mackie plugs are no cost.
So they have little/no incentive to offer a discounted version without plugs. Plus they would need to have a distribution that had copy protected plugs yada yada so its not practicle and totally beside the point!
On the other hand we should be ABLE to download the damn thing I hope and not have to pay shipping and waste paper and gas I hope!!
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- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
probably very true.Dimwit wrote:I want the plugs.
I'm the guy that Mackie is targeting.
The beginning DAW user.
Someone shot the food. Remember: don't shoot food!
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- KVRian
- 1322 posts since 26 Mar, 2004 from UK
So, if the cost of T2 in states is $149, that's £79 GBP.
Assuming the price of T2 UK is £149, and my Tracktion cost me about £50 GBP last April - if the upgrade cost is anything more than £70 GBP (which is half price, ostensibly), doesn't it work out cheaper for me to buy a brand new US version? (shipping being nominal, hopefully!) That would feel like a butt raping!
Assuming the price of T2 UK is £149, and my Tracktion cost me about £50 GBP last April - if the upgrade cost is anything more than £70 GBP (which is half price, ostensibly), doesn't it work out cheaper for me to buy a brand new US version? (shipping being nominal, hopefully!) That would feel like a butt raping!
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- KVRAF
- 3441 posts since 15 Mar, 2003
Other companies offer different versions of their software at different price points.
You can get FL for $49, $99, $149 or $199 depending on what feature set you want.
Sonar Studio is a less expensive version that leaves out video, surround mixing, and some of the more upscale plugs.
There could certainly be a Tracktion without video and the plugs and it could be a download.
As to pricing the upgrade, Makie could just give T1 users a rebate upon proof of purchase of T2.
You can get FL for $49, $99, $149 or $199 depending on what feature set you want.
Sonar Studio is a less expensive version that leaves out video, surround mixing, and some of the more upscale plugs.
There could certainly be a Tracktion without video and the plugs and it could be a download.
As to pricing the upgrade, Makie could just give T1 users a rebate upon proof of purchase of T2.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
In terms of recommending Tracktion 1 to students (including some who are younger than teenagers) the $80 price tag was a major advantage. $200 is probably unrealistic for most of my school age pupils. The flexibility of FL5 pricing structure makes it a tempting recommendation which I am now seriously considering as an alternative. (I downloaded the demo, not being an FL user, and so far I'm very impressed indeed...)
I think that if Mackie had a similar approach it would be great, but from my dealings so far with them I don;t think they are particularly interested in the educational market, or for that matter the "poor" market. All the marketing (including the priority features added to T2 over-and-above existing users requests and bug-fixes) suggest that Mackie want to aim this at the serious Project Studio user.
I think that if Mackie had a similar approach it would be great, but from my dealings so far with them I don;t think they are particularly interested in the educational market, or for that matter the "poor" market. All the marketing (including the priority features added to T2 over-and-above existing users requests and bug-fixes) suggest that Mackie want to aim this at the serious Project Studio user.