new rhythm guitar pattern sequencer

[Shmoe]

Synthedit, bah. (Um, was just the screenshot from a Mac?) Anyway, I guess I'll have to learn how to program in Max or something.
Shmoe

[Mokafix]

And don't forget about muted strums or chops.

I think this can be done by choosing the length and the sounds

but maybe not by the strumming itself.

yes, i think so...

it'll react like a guitar (a string can't play too notes simultaneously)

so note will be stopped if a new stroke of same string happens.

but for note length...

maybe a new line in table...

I must say I'm not fond of that kind of "table" sequencer, but that's the simplest way i found to see all at a glance.
I prefer graphical (shapes and colors) display of things than numbers...

[Mokafix]

maybe 32 steps would be better.
do someone need to play two chords that fast?
anyway you could just change pulse divide...

[mandolarian]

Mokafix you are on a holy quest. Don't compromise.
32 would be good. If you want to emulate a fast rasqueado.

[Mokafix]

Mokafix you are on a holy quest. Don't compromise.
32 would be good. If you want to emulate a fast rasqueado.

i googled rasgueado.

it's a fast strum, isn't it?
could you tell me wich is the sequence of the strings?
cause i don't know if you hit each string with one finger, all with second, etc, or what.

but it seems that as it's just a fast srum, with my pug, you can obtain it just with the rate function.

I'm thinking : (tell me if i'm wrong)

a guitar player won't change chord every 32 steps.
so 16 steps would be enought.

BUT

one - like you - would need more than one strum in one step.
so i could make a "how many strums in this step" function.

would this be good for rasgueados?

[james0tucson]

- does this seems interesting or not
- have you any suggestion for features

Very interesting.

I'd like plain midi-out, no generator (I have a good hardware synth for guitar sounds).

I'd like to see a lot of attention paid to proper voicing. I know this is a tall order.

I'd like to be able to tell the vsti, "play Travis style" and send it chords for "Going to California" or "play Carter style" and get a convincing "Wabash Cannonball".

Going even deeper, I'd like to be able to tell it a fingerstyle where chords are played by pulling certain strings with the right hand. Then you need custom flatpicking styles.

After that, I'd want good articulations for hammer-ons, pull-offs, slides -- probably triggered by an adjustable velocity envelope.

I'd like it to have some specialized sequencer functions, so that it can be programmed to play a chord progression, and then parameterized so that it can be power chords, Keith Richards tuning one-finger-powerchords, or a Chet Atkins treatment of the same chords. Or Crosby tuning for a different voicing of the same chords.

As for the sounds from the generator, that's another story; if you got the sequencing/chording/voicing/tuning stuff right, you could just use it as a midi-out to drive Slayer2 or something. The tone generator is a whole separate class of problems, and that's been done (Roland synths, Guitar Rig FX, Slayer, etc.) But what hasn't been done is a good effort at an idiomatic guitar sequencer. It doesn't matter how good your guitar synth is; unless you're controlling it from a guitar it won't sound guitaristic -- there are a lot of details in the voicing, the articulation, the strumming, picking, fingerpicking styles. All of that lives in a niche you could fill with your project.

Thanks for listening.

[james0tucson]

do i want it?
YES i want

because you are right, there is no chord-sequencer out there that is actually flexible, usually they are limited to internal sounds.

Roland synths have a fairly convincing guitar arpeggiator. It's not all that great, but if you acquire the knack for voicing your chords it's pretty useful.

[ouroboros]

Looks like a great idea, Mokafix!

[mandolarian]

one - like you - would need more than one strum in one step. so i could make a "how many strums in this step" function. would this be good for rasgueados?

That would be a good start. How many strums on which string would be closer. A rasgueado in slow motion looks like 4 or 5 five seperate downstroke strums. First the pinkie finger hits the lower strings, then the higher ones, followed by the ring finger, middle finger and index and maybe the thumb with a slap.

At speed it sounds like one strum but with four ragged envelopes. But for your purposes it is more like 4 fast strums, but not each string is hit at the same time. It's sequential, but the timing is everything.

And after your plugin has mastered the rasgueado, then you could tackle the 3-4 finger tremelo. The better classical guitarists seem to have very precise servo motors embedded in their double-jointed fingers!

But I wouldn't worry about the chord changes (Guitarists don't). If this is to be an effective emulator, then three chords total will suffice.

[Mokafix]

That would be a good start. How many strums on which string would be closer. A rasgueado in slow motion looks like 4 or 5 five seperate downstroke strums. First the pinkie finger hits the lower strings, then the higher ones, followed by the ring finger, middle finger and index and maybe the thumb with a slap.

At speed it sounds like one strum but with four ragged envelopes. But for your purposes it is more like 4 fast strums, but not each string is hit at the same time. It's sequential, but the timing is everything.

do the second finger begins it's course before the first one ends it's?
as i planned to it, in fact you would set say "4 strum for 1 step". and then, it would play 4 fast strums.
if you set rate just fast enough, it would do :

123456
______123456
____________123456
__________________123456

if you set the rate a little slower, it would become :

123456
____123456
________123456
____________123456

you see? here, 1st string of next finger matches 5th of previous, but of course, if you set the rate in between, 1st of next could fall between 5th and 6th of next.

And after your plugin has mastered the rasgueado, then you could tackle the 3-4 finger tremelo. The better classical guitarists seem to have very precise servo motors embedded in their double-jointed fingers!

i don't know what this exactly is...
ihave to go now.
i'll cont.

see yainue answering tonight (it's 10:20 am now here)

[mandolarian]

Ah, Paris in the morning. Must be beautiful!

And yes, there is an overlap of the fingers and the strings. The millisecond after the pinkie moves past the 6th string the ring finger is striking the 6th and so on.

But let's watch a movie instead!
rasgueado video

[BobYordan]

I started working on a a new plug (I don't forget tatapoum 3.0...)


don't bash gui, as it's just a preview.
every features are not there, and some gui elements will change

It's a vst that outputs midi.

it's aim is to provide a huge chords library, and let user place chords on a sequencer.

chords are based on those you find on chordfind.com

for each step you can set :
- root note
- chord name
- variation of this chord
- transpose
- strum type (there will be several strum available, each of them tweakable. 4 or 6, or something like that)
- velocity
- strum direction
- strum rate
- note length
- probably some cc params and their values, so that you can control a specific parameter of the synth or sampler you use.

so my questions are :

- does this seems interesting or not
- have you any suggestion for features
- how many different strums would be enough for you?
(for each strum preset you could set rate, and alter distance between strokes and maybe each stroke velocity to humanise them)

Feature suggestion : Drag&Drop of the midi.

[AKJ]

hi,

so this looks like a replacement/alternative to rhythms n chords by musiclab (the manufacturer of Realguitar so that the two can interact seemlessly, so maybe that's the confusion)

will it be a commercial or a free product?

[Megakazbek]

A free alternative to Rhytm'n'Chords would be really awesome

[Mokafix]

yes it'll be free.

for rasgueado, the video isn't very usable...
does the pinkie waits the last finger ends to restart a new strum?
does the strum match tempo?

to BobYordan :
no midi drag and drop; sorry. but midi output.