Alchemy welcomes to Logic X Pro 10.2 and Mainstage 3 (Update 20.1.2016)

[macmuse]

Just a note - if you want to move the 14GB of Alchemy samples onto an external drive use a symbolic link not an alias. I tried with an alias first and Logic acted like the samples were not there and started downloading them again automatically when I started it up (and then replaced the alias with a folder), however a symbolic link works fine.

I had the same problem as you doing aliases a couple years ago. I also tried a symbolic link for the Logic stuff, but if my memory serves me, I had some problems with saving presets, channel strips, or something where I thought things were being saved but they weren't, or it couldn't find / save my patch settings in the library...something. I had to put it all back on the main drive to get everything to function correctly.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[aMUSEd]

Just a note - if you want to move the 14GB of Alchemy samples onto an external drive use a symbolic link not an alias. I tried with an alias first and Logic acted like the samples were not there and started downloading them again automatically when I started it up (and then replaced the alias with a folder), however a symbolic link works fine.

I had the same problem as you doing aliases a couple years ago. I also tried a symbolic link for the Logic stuff, but if my memory serves me, I had some problems with saving presets, channel strips, or something where I thought things were being saved but they weren't, or it couldn't find / save my patch settings in the library...something. I had to put it all back on the main drive to get everything to function correctly.

Thanks - I'll keep evaluating it. I would rather keep samples off my hard drive, it's best practice to use a fast external drive for samples anyway (not just in terms of space) so it would be stupid if Logic no longer allows this.

[beely]

Nearly all of my Logic content is on an external drive. Things like presets etc don't need to be as they take up virtually no space, as opposed to sample, loop and instrument content, impulses and so on which are sizeable.

[trimph1]

Same for when the same people extend that judgment to the creators of such product, as if those creators are ruining the world by making tools easier to operate. The point is to make a tool accessible, not elite.

This is what is really at issue here. I really do not get the "I hope they burn in hell" comments that come out of some here. I mean, did they do something truly evil, like murder someone in cold blood?

[Arglebargle]

If amusing threads are what plugin developer buyouts produce, I want to see a lot more buyouts.

[egbert]

Trumpy, my good man, let me pose a scenario for you.

Say that, for your sins, you are transported for life to the Americas. You find yourself plonked down in the outer burbs of Bumfuck, Amerika. You pay your taxes and contribute thereby to the building and extension of the rail and road network that allows you to commute to your gainful employment in not-so-nearby Gomorrah. Due to the aftermath of the wall st created GFC, the taxation receipts in the county of Greater Bumfuck haven't been all that they were cracked up to be in the forecasts and those same wall st banks are now putting the screws on and coming up with "solutions" for the financial rescue of GB.

Anyway, a privatisation of the road and rail services to Bumfuck comes to pass. Various bidders sniff at the assets and kick the tyres, as it were, but nobody forks over the requisite amount of cash. Then, riding in on a white charger, Donald Trump comes to the rescue. Trump stumps up several billion big ones for the ownership and control of the methods of egress from Bumfuck and now the debt situation is not nearly so parlous - hell they might even be able to buy a christmas tree this year.

However, Trump has some unforeseen ideas about his new infrastructure portfolio, and who would get to use it. Having noted the congestion in the peak hours, Trump declares that to improve service quality, only paid up members of the Republican Party can use the road and rail systems between 7 and 9 in the am and 4 and 8 in the pm. No riff-raff, as Basil Fawlty would have put it.

You find yourself inconvenienced considerably. Helpful people point out that there is nothing to stop you A) joining the GOP and helping to spread Amerikas bounty to the world or B) buying a helicopter/pogo stick/barbed wire canoe or some other form of transport that will not require the use of Trump's roads or tracks.

Do you respect the right of the Greater Bumfuck council to sell the assets your taxes paid for to someone who would exclude you from using them? How will you spend tonight if there's no Gomorrah?

[wagtunes]

Trumpy, my good man, let me pose a scenario for you.

Say that, for your sins, you are transported for life to the Americas. You find yourself plonked down in the outer burbs of Bumfuck, Amerika. You pay your taxes and contribute thereby to the building and extension of the rail and road network that allows you to commute to your gainful employment in not-so-nearby Gomorrah. Due to the aftermath of the wall st created GFC, the taxation receipts in the county of Greater Bumfuck haven't been all that they were cracked up to be in the forecasts and those same wall st banks are now putting the screws on and coming up with "solutions" for the financial rescue of GB.

Anyway, a privatisation of the road and rail services to Bumfuck comes to pass. Various bidders sniff at the assets and kick the tyres, as it were, but nobody forks over the requisite amount of cash. Then, riding in on a white charger, Donald Trump comes to the rescue. Trump stumps up several billion big ones for the ownership and control of the methods of egress from Bumfuck and now the debt situation is not nearly so parlous - hell they might even be able to buy a christmas tree this year.

However, Trump has some unforeseen ideas about his new infrastructure portfolio, and who would get to use it. Having noted the congestion in the peak hours, Trump declares that to improve service quality, only paid up members of the Republican Party can use the road and rail systems between 7 and 9 in the am and 4 and 8 in the pm. No riff-raff, as Basil Fawlty would have put it.

You find yourself inconvenienced considerably. Helpful people point out that there is nothing to stop you A) joining the GOP and helping to spread Amerikas bounty to the world or B) buying a helicopter/pogo stick/barbed wire canoe or some other form of transport that will not require the use of Trump's roads or tracks.

Do you respect the right of the Greater Bumfuck council to sell the assets your taxes paid for to someone who would exclude you from using them? How will you spend tonight if there's no Gomorrah?

You my good man, should have been a writer.

That was beautifully stated.

[mholloway]

Anybody hating continuously on Apple about all of this should appropriately re-direct that hate to Camel Audio -- they are the responsible party here, not Apple. So Apple made an offer; all Camel had to do was say No Thanks! and that would have been the end of the story.

If your wife leaves you for another man, who are you the most mad at? The other man, or your wife?

anyway, what a strange thread. fortunately I'm a Mac / Logic user, so I get to be happy, ha. But I totally get other former Alchemy user's feelings of frustration and abandonment.

-M

[zvenx]

Anybody hating continuously on Apple about all of this should appropriately re-direct that hate to Camel Audio -- they are the responsible party here, not Apple. So Apple made an offer; all Camel had to do was say No Thanks! and that would have been the end of the story.

If your wife leaves you for another man, who are you the most mad at? The other man, or your wife?

.................. But I totally get other former Alchemy user's feelings of frustration and abandonment.

-M

My views exactly.
rsp

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Trumpy, my good man, let me pose a scenario for you.

Say that, for your sins, you are transported for life to the Americas. You find yourself plonked down in the outer burbs of Bumfuck, Amerika. You pay your taxes and contribute thereby to the building and extension of the rail and road network that allows you to commute to your gainful employment in not-so-nearby Gomorrah. Due to the aftermath of the wall st created GFC, the taxation receipts in the county of Greater Bumfuck haven't been all that they were cracked up to be in the forecasts and those same wall st banks are now putting the screws on and coming up with "solutions" for the financial rescue of GB.

Anyway, a privatisation of the road and rail services to Bumfuck comes to pass. Various bidders sniff at the assets and kick the tyres, as it were, but nobody forks over the requisite amount of cash. Then, riding in on a white charger, Donald Trump comes to the rescue. Trump stumps up several billion big ones for the ownership and control of the methods of egress from Bumfuck and now the debt situation is not nearly so parlous - hell they might even be able to buy a christmas tree this year.

However, Trump has some unforeseen ideas about his new infrastructure portfolio, and who would get to use it. Having noted the congestion in the peak hours, Trump declares that to improve service quality, only paid up members of the Republican Party can use the road and rail systems between 7 and 9 in the am and 4 and 8 in the pm. No riff-raff, as Basil Fawlty would have put it.

You find yourself inconvenienced considerably. Helpful people point out that there is nothing to stop you A) joining the GOP and helping to spread Amerikas bounty to the world or B) buying a helicopter/pogo stick/barbed wire canoe or some other form of transport that will not require the use of Trump's roads or tracks.

Do you respect the right of the Greater Bumfuck council to sell the assets your taxes paid for to someone who would exclude you from using them? How will you spend tonight if there's no Gomorrah?

That was beautifully stated.

too many holes in this analogy to bother picking apart.i much prefer your cries of "i hope they all go to hell !!"

[wagtunes]

Trumpy, my good man, let me pose a scenario for you.

Say that, for your sins, you are transported for life to the Americas. You find yourself plonked down in the outer burbs of Bumfuck, Amerika. You pay your taxes and contribute thereby to the building and extension of the rail and road network that allows you to commute to your gainful employment in not-so-nearby Gomorrah. Due to the aftermath of the wall st created GFC, the taxation receipts in the county of Greater Bumfuck haven't been all that they were cracked up to be in the forecasts and those same wall st banks are now putting the screws on and coming up with "solutions" for the financial rescue of GB.

Anyway, a privatisation of the road and rail services to Bumfuck comes to pass. Various bidders sniff at the assets and kick the tyres, as it were, but nobody forks over the requisite amount of cash. Then, riding in on a white charger, Donald Trump comes to the rescue. Trump stumps up several billion big ones for the ownership and control of the methods of egress from Bumfuck and now the debt situation is not nearly so parlous - hell they might even be able to buy a christmas tree this year.

However, Trump has some unforeseen ideas about his new infrastructure portfolio, and who would get to use it. Having noted the congestion in the peak hours, Trump declares that to improve service quality, only paid up members of the Republican Party can use the road and rail systems between 7 and 9 in the am and 4 and 8 in the pm. No riff-raff, as Basil Fawlty would have put it.

You find yourself inconvenienced considerably. Helpful people point out that there is nothing to stop you A) joining the GOP and helping to spread Amerikas bounty to the world or B) buying a helicopter/pogo stick/barbed wire canoe or some other form of transport that will not require the use of Trump's roads or tracks.

Do you respect the right of the Greater Bumfuck council to sell the assets your taxes paid for to someone who would exclude you from using them? How will you spend tonight if there's no Gomorrah?

That was beautifully stated.

too many holes in this analogy to bother picking apart.i much prefer your cries of "i hope they all go to hell !!"

Certainly you can understand a PC user's frustration that they'll never be able to use this software unless they completely redesign their whole setup. In my case (over 300 VSTs) that's just not doable.

So I never get to use Alchemy.

So yeah, that pisses me off.

[Numanoid]

The Smiths: I want the one I can't have and it's driving me mad

[BBFG#]

I mean, did they do something truly evil, like murder someone in cold blood?

Actually, it has been occurrences of 'depraved indifference' in which the country they're located in is choosing to not look at while this country exposes it without the ability to do anything about it. Pain, suffering and deaths (including suicides) that come as a direct and indirect result of those practices.

And in political terms, I would liken it more to Black 47.
You can have soup if you just denounce your faith.

[ontrackp]

Wagtunes wrote:

Certainly you can understand a PC user's frustration that they'll never be able to use this software unless they completely redesign their whole setup. In my case (over 300 VSTs) that's just not doable.

So I never get to use Alchemy.

So yeah, that pisses me off.

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As a Mac user, I have frustration that I can never use PC software.

So I never get to use.... (ahh.. can't think of anything).

Just kidding.

In all seriousness though, there was a time years ago that we all made the decision to go with PC or Mac in our studios. There is good software on both sides, and fantastic music is produced using either platform. It sucks for Windows Alchemy owners that the company sold out to Apple, but it's not the first or last time that we will invest in software that is discontinued. It's happened to me on the Mac side (Opcode for instance -- the biggest player in Mac DAW for years with Studio Vision which was a great program went under after being bought by Gibson).

For this Logic upgrade to be used an excuse for the mac haters to come out from under the rocks is just plain funny.