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origwt · Post by **origwt** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:56 am

aMUSEd wrote:Why would save work better in VST hosts given that it for Phonem, this is a function of the plugin, not the host?

No, the last edited preset is always saved by the host (even in AU)
But in VST also the complete bank is saved. AU does not support banks at all.
I added a point to the Phonem FAQ:

http://wolfgangpalm.com/phonem_supp.html

ChamomileShark · Post by **ChamomileShark** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:50 am

I've yet to get Phonem, it's on my Christmas list.

I would say that the problem of losing resources / presets is something I struggled with on WaveMapper2. I get your point that settings are saved when you close the project but I tend to create presets within a specific project and then use the presets elsewhere. Even so I've still lost/ overwritten a number of resources and presets when working within a dedicated patchbuilder project in Cubase Pro 8.

I've used a fair number of VSTs over the last 10 years or so but Wavemapper2 keeps tripping me up. I have other VSTs that create new resources like Alchemy and Serum but don't encounter the same problems.

All the PPG products are fantastic sonically, technically and musically, totally inspiring to go and create your own sounds - it seems a shame that the patch save issues sometimes make me reach for other tools simply because I don't need to have to worry that I might lose the sound I'm working on.

ZeePok · Post by **ZeePok** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:24 am

So ... this will never get a Trial version ?

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:49 am

Just bought PPG Wavemapper 2 in order to create additional resources to use in Phonem, this should get even exciting...maybe I should program everything in Cubase now using the VST version, I'll check it out.

origwt · Post by **origwt** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:28 am

ChamomileShark wrote:I've yet to get Phonem, it's on my Christmas list.

I would say that the problem of losing resources / presets is something I struggled with on WaveMapper2. I get your point that settings are saved when you close the project but I tend to create presets within a specific project and then use the presets elsewhere. Even so I've still lost/ overwritten a number of resources and presets when working within a dedicated patchbuilder project in Cubase Pro 8.

I've used a fair number of VSTs over the last 10 years or so but Wavemapper2 keeps tripping me up. I have other VSTs that create new resources like Alchemy and Serum but don't encounter the same problems.

All the PPG products are fantastic sonically, technically and musically, totally inspiring to go and create your own sounds - it seems a shame that the patch save issues sometimes make me reach for other tools simply because I don't need to have to worry that I might lose the sound I'm working on.

It might seem odd, but these things are quite complex due to the different hosts and systems, like VST2,3 and AU. I am currently working on a solution not only for the resources but also the browser/banks problem.

ChamomileShark · Post by **ChamomileShark** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:31 am

Wolfgang, that is great to hear. I have both wavemapper2 and Wavegenerator and intend to get Phonem for Christmas. Changes to the browser/ banks and preset saving will make them so much easier for me to work with.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:46 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:Just bought PPG Wavemapper 2 in order to create additional resources to use in Phonem, this should get even exciting...maybe I should program everything in Cubase now using the VST version, I'll check it out.

I am totally wowed now, re-synthesizing samples in Wavemapper and using these as wavetables inside Phonem opens totally new sonic dimensions, a killer combo!

Gosh · Post by **Gosh** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:55 pm

great to hear, simon. so...besides the phonem soundset may i also kindly request a wavemapper bank from you?

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:47 pm

Gosh wrote:great to hear, simon. so...besides the phonem soundset may i also kindly request a wavemapper bank from you?

You may, the announcement for the Phonem set is around the corner.

Gosh · Post by **Gosh** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:56 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Gosh wrote:great to hear, simon. so...besides the phonem soundset may i also kindly request a wavemapper bank from you?
You may, the announcement for the Phonem set is around the corner.

cool, this is what will finally make me purchase phonem. i think wolfgang should be grateful for your fantastic sound examples, the bug reports, the feature requests etc.

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:27 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Just bought PPG Wavemapper 2 in order to create additional resources to use in Phonem, this should get even exciting...maybe I should program everything in Cubase now using the VST version, I'll check it out.
I am totally wowed now, re-synthesizing samples in Wavemapper and using these as wavetables inside Phonem opens totally new sonic dimensions, a killer combo!

I semi-apologize Simon, as for some reason I had assumed/believed you already had Wavemapper, and that {combo} was in large part my basis for being very enthused for you, regarding Phenom, aside from its inherent qualities/potential. Glad to hear you've found/made this "union".

Your enthusiasm and expertise are always refreshing.

Sampleconstruct wrote:maybe I should program everything in Cubase now using the VST version, I'll check it out.

That would more than likely prove ~ "wise".

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:37 pm

Gosh wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Gosh wrote:great to hear, simon. so...besides the phonem soundset may i also kindly request a wavemapper bank from you?
You may, the announcement for the Phonem set is around the corner.
cool, this is what will finally make me purchase phonem. i think wolfgang should be grateful for your fantastic sound examples, the bug reports, the feature requests etc.

Thank's - oh dear - too late to say “it wasn't me“ now

- it's gonna be great, Phonem rocks in it's very own way. Wolfgang probably needs a little rest from my persistent nagging in this thread

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:41 pm

Shabdahbriah wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Just bought PPG Wavemapper 2 in order to create additional resources to use in Phonem, this should get even exciting...maybe I should program everything in Cubase now using the VST version, I'll check it out.
I am totally wowed now, re-synthesizing samples in Wavemapper and using these as wavetables inside Phonem opens totally new sonic dimensions, a killer combo!
I semi-apologize Simon, as for some reason I had assumed/believed you already had Wavemapper, and that {combo} was in large part my basis for being very enthused for you, regarding Phenom, aside from its inherent qualities/potential. Glad to hear you've found/made this "union".

Your enthusiasm and expertise are always refreshing.

Sampleconstruct wrote:maybe I should program everything in Cubase now using the VST version, I'll check it out.
That would more than likely prove ~ "wise".

Oh, please don't semi-apologize (nor total) - I had never really heard of Wavemapper until a few days ago when I got very interested in the import-button in Phonem, visited Wolfgang's website, had a little read, since then I knew I had to get it, because using re-synthesized samples in something like Phonem just had to be the ideal combo - and it sure is.

ChamomileShark · Post by **ChamomileShark** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:45 pm

have you tried Audio Term? I use that to create wavewtables that can then be used Serum, PPG Wavemapper2, PPG Wave Generator and various other synths.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:48 pm

ChamomileShark wrote:have you tried Audio Term? I use that to create wavewtables that can then be used Serum, PPG Wavemapper2, PPG Wave Generator and various other synths.

I have been using Serum exclusively over the last year as I really dig it's WT editor and the exported wavs can be used almost everywhere else, so in combo with Wavemapper I should be fine for the next years. I don't want to learn another piece of software really, my head is already exploding as it is, but thanks for the suggestion anyway.

PPG Phonem (Advanced Vocal Synthesizer) official released