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woggle · Post by **woggle** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:16 am

bungle wrote:Yeah i assumed the blue on white is an alpha coloring, it should follow the slick grey shading of the graph, those look excellent

I sort of assumed that as well but as a long time Reaper user .....

atukao · Post by **atukao** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:17 am

The mixer looks fine.

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:58 am

woggle wrote:
bungle wrote:Yeah i assumed the blue on white is an alpha coloring, it should follow the slick grey shading of the graph, those look excellent
I sort of assumed that as well but as a long time Reaper user .....

To be fair, Colins latest UI work on the other plugins is so far from that horrific jumbled mess that is Reaper (You don't get longer time users than me) there is nothing unified about Reaper hahaha

stanlea · Post by **stanlea** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:27 pm

Do you plan to add touchscreen/gestures features in next version ?

colin@loomer · Post by **colin@loomer** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:14 pm

Touchscreen support is on the big-list-of-post-release-things, but I can't say either how long it'd take or what priority it has. Essentially, it's one of those things I categorise as 'if more people want it, I'll do it sooner.' I'm looking for an excuse to pick up a Surface, so perhaps this'll be it.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:30 pm

If you're using JUCE it will be natively multitouch

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:27 pm

colin@loomer wrote:Touchscreen support is on the big-list-of-post-release-things, but I can't say either how long it'd take or what priority it has. Essentially, it's one of those things I categorise as 'if more people want it, I'll do it sooner.' I'm looking for an excuse to pick up a Surface, so perhaps this'll be it.

I had four Surface Pro 3s before I got one that did not quickly develop a hardware fault. Microsoft have a great replacement service, but one of those replacements even had faults from the start! Shame because they are stylish machines - but I sold the fourth one and went back to a desktop (plus ipad).

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:29 pm

bungle wrote:
woggle wrote:
bungle wrote:Yeah i assumed the blue on white is an alpha coloring, it should follow the slick grey shading of the graph, those look excellent
I sort of assumed that as well but as a long time Reaper user .....
To be fair, Colins latest UI work on the other plugins is so far from that horrific jumbled mess that is Reaper (You don't get longer time users than me) there is nothing unified about Reaper hahaha

been with Reaper since version 0.4 something or other - I think if anything Reaper has got less usable. (I'm in the process of switching to FL and just using Reaper for audio tasks. It is such a hassle switching DAWs though)

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:05 am

colin@loomer wrote:Touchscreen support is on the big-list-of-post-release-things, but I can't say either how long it'd take or what priority it has. Essentially, it's one of those things I categorise as 'if more people want it, I'll do it sooner.' I'm looking for an excuse to pick up a Surface, so perhaps this'll be it.

Would prefer an IOS version at this point, the freedom of those things is great.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:04 am

I don't really think wiring up nodes is much fun with touch, or they need to be huge or dumbed down in functionality for our thick fingers...

Doesn't make much sense for where !Epoch is going ATM IMO.
Especially not before it's released at all...

Cheers,

Tom

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:13 am

Wiring nodes with touch is super simple and can be done in a few ways, i have zero issues on the iPad.

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:26 am

I absolutely love the crisp blue and white, everything else looks too bland, not sharp, not edgy, not "hard".

I'd also have the Instruments and the Effects as different colours. Basically the brain works much faster with colors and pictures that are distinct, than it does with letters and numbers and simple styles. The less things look same-y, the quicker the brain is able to process what they are. Which equals quicker work, or less straining work, one could say.

Just as on iOS 6 and prior, the icons looked much more distinct (and you could say "beautiful"), than iOS 7 and all the versions after it:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zH7FslRYsNg/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gf_Bb6ygwKc/maxresdefault.jpg

The human eye, appreciates lighting and 3 dimensionality. Photorealism over the cartoon look. Just how the ear appreciates better analog emulations over worse emulations.

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:35 am

HunterKiller wrote:I absolutely love the crisp blue and white, everything else looks too bland, not sharp, not edgy, not "hard".

I'd also have the Instruments and the Effects as different colours. Basically the brain works much faster with colors and pictures that are distinct, than it does with letters and numbers and simple styles. The less things look same-y, the quicker the brain is able to process what they are. Which equals quicker work, or less straining work, one could say.

Just as on iOS 6 and prior, the icons looked much more distinct (and you could say "beautiful"), than iOS 7 and all the versions after it:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zH7FslRYsNg/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gf_Bb6ygwKc/maxresdefault.jpg

The human eye, appreciates lighting and 3 dimensionality. Photorealism over the cartoon look. Just how the ear appreciates better analog emulations over worse emulations.

sort of but not really - Colin Ware has I think very good texts on visualisation from a visual science viewpoint http://ccom.unh.edu/vislab/colin_ware.html

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:40 am

@HunterKiller: Well, I'd say "your eye" does so, I personally do not appreciate the extreme contrast in that area at all, "my eye" prefers things like the Bitwig Studio GUI or the Adobe CS6 GUIs where you have, yes, clear colours and contrast but not too brutal and not too all over the place and most importantly applied in a way that puts focus on the most important stuff in a give screen.
In a mixer that is definitely not the used plugins device representations but the faders and knobs you mix with, while the colours in that screenshot made it look as if it's all about the plugins which don't even have much of a function other than showing what's there and probably being clicked at to show their GUIs.
On the other hand, the mixing sliders almost vanish...

In then end it will probably come down to user colour themes...

Cheers,

Tom

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:44 am

It really does pay a visual information designer to read Ware's texts - they break down the basic visual system and how to parameterise the design space to optimise usable information density. He is a very clear writer. I used his work with my students for many years and they found it extremely helpful. This particularly true for people who come from fields like IT and Engineering and find they have to design workable and pleasing interfaces.

(to be fair here I have no experience with Colin's Loomer interfaces - he might be a great interface designer for all I know)

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