Catching up with everything going on at kvr is totally ruining my productivity.lanfear wrote:Catching up with this thread is totally ruining my productivity.
Sonar 5 has arrived...
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- KVRist
- 176 posts since 22 Jul, 2005 from United Kingdom
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- KVRist
- 69 posts since 25 Jul, 2004
No need to kill time on this on my account. I appreciate the effort,thunderkyss wrote: {EDIT} I don't know what is going on...that website saved my other pictures to original size, but not these........I'll have to do some investigating.
It seems the files were too big, and were automatically reduced. I'll need to find a way to save the larger .jpg in a smaller file.
Thanks!
MojoChopper
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- KVRist
- 161 posts since 9 Apr, 2002
Actually it is in the SDK since vst 2.0.whyterabbyt wrote: Passing MIDI from VSTs isn't (or wasnt) part of the VST spec.
It's documented in a horrible way (not only event handling, but the whole sdk), but it's there.
As to why steinberg made another api for midi only plugins, and why many host developers don't make use of those vst spec "features" - well, it beats me too
cheers,
Bart
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 23 Oct, 2003 from Port Arthur, TX
ok, I think I got the file size thing worked out
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
thunderkyss, and those are supposed to prove the clutterfree interface?
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/temp/LogicArrange.jpg is what I'd call clutterfree.
Along with this on my second monitor:
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/temp/LogicMixer.jpg
Which goodies am I getting from the crowded Sonar UI that I'm missing in Logic?
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/temp/LogicArrange.jpg is what I'd call clutterfree.
Along with this on my second monitor:
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/temp/LogicMixer.jpg
Which goodies am I getting from the crowded Sonar UI that I'm missing in Logic?
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRian
- 1004 posts since 2 Aug, 2004 from Sweden
Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't really get the point about Sonar GUI and cluttered. You can switch off or hide virtually everything. So with this together with templates, layouts, color schemes and so on I can't imagine there being a person who couldn't set up Sonar to their liking or at least good enough from a GUI point of view. I mean you can't judge it from start up mode or from other user's screens if you're THAT concerned about it.
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- KVRist
- 263 posts since 17 Jun, 2005 from Holding your humor hostage at your home
The thing is Sonar looks plastic and it feels plastic.
Comparing the screenshots Logic Vs Sonar the alphabet
still rules the pecking order. I would much rather have
less and see what I do... than the 'try to fit it all
into a too small a space' outlook.
Comparing the screenshots Logic Vs Sonar the alphabet
still rules the pecking order. I would much rather have
less and see what I do... than the 'try to fit it all
into a too small a space' outlook.
Black text on a white canvas, do racist people close their eyes when they read a book?
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- KVRAF
- 3125 posts since 6 Dec, 2002 from Ljubljana/ Slovenia
sonar's got the balls but not the looks.
k
Might go for Sonar6 SE anyway when time comes.
k
Might go for Sonar6 SE anyway when time comes.
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- KVRist
- 457 posts since 14 Aug, 2001
Did you even read what beltrom said? You can turn off/hide most of the stuff in the Sonar interface...the screens posted by thunderkyss show his preferred way of using Sonar (frankly, I don't like his colours, but that is my taste). You could pretty much strip back the Sonar GUI so that it was no more cluttered than those Logic screenshots.RapRogue wrote:The thing is Sonar looks plastic and it feels plastic.
Comparing the screenshots Logic Vs Sonar the alphabet
still rules the pecking order. I would much rather have
less and see what I do... than the 'try to fit it all
into a too small a space' outlook.
Why do so many people express their opinions as facts? I don't like Logic's colour scheme...I don't like the look of Logic's midi/audio parts and I don't much care for it's mixer's looks either...but that is just me. If other people like it, then great...I'm not going to start posting that it's crap/toylike/cluttered/blahblahblah. Each to their own.
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- KVRist
- 263 posts since 17 Jun, 2005 from Holding your humor hostage at your home
xylyx your not only missing the whole point (it hit you
in the back of ya head too), you cannot add something
which is not there.
It has nothing to do with 'like don't like', so don't
act like a baby with that primetime baby-line.
Numerous users have said why/what they don't like
about Sonar, and for a reason. Customization is great,
too bad the gui start sucking the second you add one (1) thing.
Come to think of it the 'look' reminds me of some sort of suburban WordPad gone Tokyo.
in the back of ya head too), you cannot add something
which is not there.
It has nothing to do with 'like don't like', so don't
act like a baby with that primetime baby-line.
Numerous users have said why/what they don't like
about Sonar, and for a reason. Customization is great,
too bad the gui start sucking the second you add one (1) thing.
Come to think of it the 'look' reminds me of some sort of suburban WordPad gone Tokyo.
Black text on a white canvas, do racist people close their eyes when they read a book?
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- KVRist
- 140 posts since 14 Apr, 2005 from Los Angeles, CA
RapRogue wrote:Come to think of it the 'look' reminds me of some sort of suburban WordPad gone Tokyo.
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- KVRian
- 1202 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Munich
Anyone here actually doing any work with their sequencer, as opposed to looking at the ones you don't even use to begin with, going 
and theorizing in rather useless ways?
It appears as if a lot of people complaining about clutter haven't even gotten as far with sonar as to create their own project templates
Brandon, does S5 PE still slow down badly gui- and transport control-wise with around 200 midi tracks as S4 does?
and theorizing in rather useless ways?It appears as if a lot of people complaining about clutter haven't even gotten as far with sonar as to create their own project templates
Brandon, does S5 PE still slow down badly gui- and transport control-wise with around 200 midi tracks as S4 does?
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35505 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Translation "waaa waaa waaa, im right im right, waaa waaa waaa"RapRogue wrote:xylyx your not only missing the whole point (it hit you
in the back of ya head too), you cannot add something
which is not there.
yes it does, and you're the baby, not xylyx.It has nothing to do with 'like don't like', so don't
act like a baby with that primetime baby-line.
Yeah; it doesnt suit their taste.Numerous users have said why/what they don't like
about Sonar, and for a reason.
No, it doesnt.Customization is great,
too bad the gui start sucking the second you add one (1) thing.
Wow. Is that gibberish supposed to come across as informed?Come to think of it the 'look' reminds me of some sort of suburban WordPad gone Tokyo.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRian
- 1004 posts since 2 Aug, 2004 from Sweden
Don't bother xRAVENx (or Whyterabbyt). If people want to deprive themself from the use of a great tool because of something that's strangely enough both nonexistant and down to taste because of their ignorance it's their problem, not yours.
I really don't get why stuff like this is so emotional. It is a f*n tool, everyone knows that right? I've been using Cakewalk since DOS version 2 so I'm as loyal a Cakewalker as anyone. But if people don't like Sonar and is hostile or arrogant about it I just view it as childish (and unprofessional) and move on. Like I said - it's their problem - and I don't want to solve it for them.
I really don't get why stuff like this is so emotional. It is a f*n tool, everyone knows that right? I've been using Cakewalk since DOS version 2 so I'm as loyal a Cakewalker as anyone. But if people don't like Sonar and is hostile or arrogant about it I just view it as childish (and unprofessional) and move on. Like I said - it's their problem - and I don't want to solve it for them.
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
One thing CakeWalk might want to check is their server - I tried to download the Sonar demo for a (3rd) look but just got nowhere other than: 'can't find server' - this happened several times over several days!
So I tried the H20 version - same problem 3rd time around ...
No sound, how do you get a vst loaded, midi keyboard not working, soundcard seems OK - but no sound, how do you load a DX synth, OH - keyboard seems to be OK - why isn't the M-Audio card outputting sound?
Three times I have tried Sonar and not got a sound out of the bugger - not got a vst/dxi loaded .....
I have tried 'difficult' host's like Podium, XT, Samplitude, Logic, SX, Live - (not to mention ALL the trackers, Orion, Project 5, Reason, FL ect)but this just convinces me that it is not for me - any host that I can't get a sound out of on 3 tries means it is only going to get worse - I have got going in all the other mentioned host's in minutes!
Perhaps it's me?
Anyway - I uninstalled and deleted it last night.
It doesn't exist in any shape or form on my PC (just in case someone starts screaming 'Warez User').
This is of course only MY experience - others are obviously having no such issues!
Flipper.
One thing CakeWalk might want to check is their server - I tried to download the Sonar demo for a (3rd) look but just got nowhere other than: 'can't find server' - this happened several times over several days!
So I tried the H20 version - same problem 3rd time around ...
No sound, how do you get a vst loaded, midi keyboard not working, soundcard seems OK - but no sound, how do you load a DX synth, OH - keyboard seems to be OK - why isn't the M-Audio card outputting sound?
Three times I have tried Sonar and not got a sound out of the bugger - not got a vst/dxi loaded .....
I have tried 'difficult' host's like Podium, XT, Samplitude, Logic, SX, Live - (not to mention ALL the trackers, Orion, Project 5, Reason, FL ect)but this just convinces me that it is not for me - any host that I can't get a sound out of on 3 tries means it is only going to get worse - I have got going in all the other mentioned host's in minutes!
Perhaps it's me?
Anyway - I uninstalled and deleted it last night.
It doesn't exist in any shape or form on my PC (just in case someone starts screaming 'Warez User').
This is of course only MY experience - others are obviously having no such issues!
Flipper.