Omnisphere - will it be worth the hype ?

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[DocAtlas]

Gets pretty nuts when you have Looping envelopes with evolving chaos shapes modulating other LFOs and Envelopes with evolving shapes and those are fed through Dual Source Morphing inputs that are feeding back into the original envelope times which are feeding other looping envelopes at different rates....etc, etc.

You get the idea.

Wow! Creating new patches with this synth is going to be a lot of fun. It reminds me of a patch a fellow student made (when I was in college, back in the stone age) on an ARP 2500. It would go through long, evolving stuff for quite a few minutes before ever repeating. I know we still have a week or so before we see all the details about the synth parameters, but more and more Omnisphere is starting to sound like it's got a modular synth under the hood.

Your earlier comment about 5 oscillators per layer has me wondering; is it simply 5 copies of 1 basic oscillator, detuned for fatness, or 5 completely programmable oscillators, with seperate waveforms, tuning, etc.? The latter would be really great, especially when doing stuff with FM.

[jackmazzotti]

Gets pretty nuts when you have Looping envelopes with evolving chaos shapes modulating other LFOs and Envelopes with evolving shapes and those are fed through Dual Source Morphing inputs that are feeding back into the original envelope times which are feeding other looping envelopes at different rates....etc, etc.

You get the idea.

Wow! Creating new patches with this synth is going to be a lot of fun. It reminds me of a patch a fellow student made (when I was in college, back in the stone age) on an ARP 2500. It would go through long, evolving stuff for quite a few minutes before ever repeating. I know we still have a week or so before we see all the details about the synth parameters, but more and more Omnisphere is starting to sound like it's got a modular synth under the hood.

Your earlier comment about 5 oscillators per layer has me wondering; is it simply 5 copies of 1 basic oscillator, detuned for fatness, or 5 completely programmable oscillators, with seperate waveforms, tuning, etc.? The latter would be really great, especially when doing stuff with FM.

things are going to get way out of hand in a very good way!

[jackmazzotti]

eric

this is my last pestering question

it is about amp envelopes for the samples

one of the really cool features of ableton's humble little simpler is this

creating very short and tiny and moving looping amp envelopes
very unusual rhythmic, stuttering and tonal sounds can come out from very plain samples

so how small and short can a looping envelope be for a sample oscillator?
can they go down to one cycle?



and on the side
the negative and bitter comments aren't about omnisphere or its library size or great advertising campaign at all
they would get directed at anyone who is positive, confident and excellent at what they do
some people seem to always need to find someone else to blame

[spectrum]

Gets pretty nuts when you have Looping envelopes with evolving chaos shapes modulating other LFOs and Envelopes with evolving shapes and those are fed through Dual Source Morphing inputs that are feeding back into the original envelope times which are feeding other looping envelopes at different rates....etc, etc.

You get the idea.

Wow! Creating new patches with this synth is going to be a lot of fun. It reminds me of a patch a fellow student made (when I was in college, back in the stone age) on an ARP 2500. It would go through long, evolving stuff for quite a few minutes before ever repeating. I know we still have a week or so before we see all the details about the synth parameters, but more and more Omnisphere is starting to sound like it's got a modular synth under the hood.

Your earlier comment about 5 oscillators per layer has me wondering; is it simply 5 copies of 1 basic oscillator, detuned for fatness, or 5 completely programmable oscillators, with seperate waveforms, tuning, etc.? The latter would be really great, especially when doing stuff with FM.

More good news 4U guys:

Yes. All 5 oscillators per layer have control over the waveform, symmetry, waveshape, tuning, interval, pan, level AND hard sync for every oscillator!

Yes. That does sound pretty awesome with FM too.

And so that's correct. It's actually Ten real oscillators per patch!

That's not including the hidden oscillators for FM, Ring Mod and Hard Sync either.

[koolkeys]

Can you morph any waveforms from the library, or are there pre-morphed waveforms included that you have to use?

Brent

[Sascha Franck]

Pretty nice moment when we tried Groove Lock out for the first time and it just worked!

I guess.
However, here's a feature request already (hah, without even having my hands on Omnisphere yet, of course): The Groove Lock functionality should be available for the multistep envelopes as well.
You can thank me later for this tip

[Sascha Franck]

[snip...]
EP:
"Sorry, but the law of KvR dictates that drive space must only be used for traditional orchestral samples. Weren't you aware that any sort of creative use of drive space is verboten?"
[snip...]

Hilarious reply!

[AKJ]

AKJ,

If you did buy 50+ synths in the past year(s), you clearly are quite the collector, maybe even obsessive. Too bad your best years are behind you. Have you considered buying an acoustic guitar and selling all your software?

I was not talking about myself. but irony seeems only understandably by snthenthusiats if it comes from god, the creator of the omnisphaere

still:
- from what has been revealed by now I do not see abnything that can explain the hype. A great sound library with many fx sounds: fine, but not revolutionary
- Waveshaping, granular synthesis, FM, polyphonic ring modulation etc.: great to have it all in one, but revolutionary?
- oh, I forgot Harmonia and Flex-Mode. Maybe that is the revolution? But the marketing department so far rather talks about the kore broser equivalent of onmisphere.
- I will be rather impressed by a complex synth sound which can be created by a 1 KB patch than one which eats 150 MB of HD. Thus, I rather find products interesting which replace quantity by quality/intelligence. In this respect eg truepiano is a clear winner against the quantum leap pianos.
- instead of being excited about a new synth beast which is not even released so far, wouldn't it be wiser to have fun with what you got and wait and see if Omniphaere really took you to new levels? I listened to the contest winner tracks and what a surprise: I did not have the impression that this was new sonic territory.

but this is all jut my opinion.

[Cabinfever]

And all the obvious 'gee whiz' patches on this thing are going to be absolutely thrashed and played to hell on every ad and low-level TV soundtrack within a few months.

It may well turn out that it's easier to get a unique sound with almost anything else except Omnisphere since they won't be so commonplace.

[phatty]

Quick questions about FX:

1. How many FX per layer?
2. Is it going to be the same FX as in RMX?
3. Any new FX modules for Omni?
4. Will the new modules (if any) be included in an update for RMX?
5. Any chance for a separate multi FX plug in?

[koolkeys]

AKJ,

If you did buy 50+ synths in the past year(s), you clearly are quite the collector, maybe even obsessive. Too bad your best years are behind you. Have you considered buying an acoustic guitar and selling all your software?

I was not talking about myself. but irony seeems only understandably by snthenthusiats if it comes from god, the creator of the omnisphaere

still:
- from what has been revealed by now I do not see abnything that can explain the hype. A great sound library with many fx sounds: fine, but not revolutionary
- Waveshaping, granular synthesis, FM, polyphonic ring modulation etc.: great to have it all in one, but revolutionary?
- oh, I forgot Harmonia and Flex-Mode. Maybe that is the revolution? But the marketing department so far rather talks about the kore broser equivalent of onmisphere.
- I will be rather impressed by a complex synth sound which can be created by a 1 KB patch than one which eats 150 MB of HD. Thus, I rather find products interesting which replace quantity by quality/intelligence. In this respect eg truepiano is a clear winner against the quantum leap pianos.
- instead of being excited about a new synth beast which is not even released so far, wouldn't it be wiser to have fun with what you got and wait and see if Omniphaere really took you to new levels? I listened to the contest winner tracks and what a surprise: I did not have the impression that this was new sonic territory.

but this is all jut my opinion.

I'm not Eric, but I do feel you've missed the whole perspective on Omnisphere.

- Where did it ever say it was just a great sound library with many fx sounds? Not hardly. And even so, by itself, not revolutionary. But it's not like it stops there.

- Maybe not revolutionary to have all those synthesis types in one, but with the combination of all things involved it might be. And the 40GB of waveforms you can use(THOUSANDS of patches already included), it's surely not just "any" synth with nothing new.

- Harmonia and Flex-Mode? What about Stack Mode(with multiple crossfading methods between patches), Live Mode, full modulation matrix, the full breadth of modulation options, lots of effects, lots of filter types, multiple levels of editing(which can get quite deep from what I've seen), lots of flexibility in routing, eight arps with intelligent locking to MIDI, and more. Surely no synth has these options, combined with the large, high quality library?

- Nobody said Omnisphere can't produce a patch using a simple synth waveform. But Omnisphere has a full compliment of waveform generators(not samples) and can work without a single sample being used(oh, and up to ten oscillators)

- The contest entries were all made using the same few loops that were released for the contest. Of course they weren't a representation of what Omnisphere can do, as they weren't Omnisphere.

Go watch these videos if you haven't already. You'll see more than Eric has exposed here, and some really cool things, several of which have NEVER been in a synth before.










I do think you're underestimating Ominsphere. But that is just MY opinion.

Brent

[koolkeys]

And all the obvious 'gee whiz' patches on this thing are going to be absolutely thrashed and played to hell on every ad and low-level TV soundtrack within a few months.

It may well turn out that it's easier to get a unique sound with almost anything else except Omnisphere since they won't be so commonplace.

I don't believe that will be the case. I mean, look at Atmosphere, RMX, etc. Great plugins that still get used heavily and nobody complains. I really think that the scope of this thing is beyond what any of us know when it comes to sound possibilities. It's like thinking that every synth with a sinewave is going to "get old". Any synth can get old if everyone uses the presets. But judging by the looks of things, a lot will be possible with even just a little bit of effort.

Just my opinion obviously as I've never touched Omnisphere(yet!).

Brent

[beej]

Vast Professional Experience -> Great Instrument Design -> Great Software Engineering -> The Best Sound Design Team in the business

What's not to like..?

[spectrum]

And all the obvious 'gee whiz' patches on this thing are going to be absolutely thrashed and played to hell on every ad and low-level TV soundtrack within a few months.

Nah. You have the wrong idea....this instrument isn't about that at all.

It's not just about our sounds....it's about what YOU can do with the synth. Our stuff is just the starting point for your creativity.

It may well turn out that it's easier to get a unique sound with almost anything else except Omnisphere since they won't be so commonplace.

Ha! Definitely not the case!

Actually, that statement is actually quite funny considering the considerable wealth of options for customizing and creating unique sounds.

It's actually extremely easy and a lot of fun to create your own variations and creations.

We've put a lot of effort into making it customizable no matter what your synthesis knowledge.

For example, simply changing soundsources within a patch you find interesting will provide thousands of useful variations that don't sound like another user. It definitely takes you into different territory to explore and it's not difficult at all.

You can copy and paste bits of patches you like into other ones to create new hybrids. Like an envelope somebody did? Cool....save it for later to be used in one of your patches. Same goes for LFOs, Oscillators, Filter combos, FX units, FX racks....you name it!

And of course...the system is totally open for sharing user patches....so we're expecting to hear some amazing stuff done by end users.

Of course, the better you know synthesis and sound design...the more you can do. If your a power synth programmer/advanced sound designer, you'll really go nuts with it!

That's the idea.