Wagtunes Production Music

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I'm still entertaining the idea of elaborating on my thoughts as to some issues I believe you are facing, but it's such a daunting prospect

do it as cartman to take the sting out of the tail...

"he rack a disciprin!"

It's comments like that that make me question the wisdom in choosing Cartman as an avatar. It's not like he's my spirit animal, or brother-from-another-mother i.e I don't think he reflects my personality at all. I just think he's the funniest animated character, and it makes me smile just to see his picture

[TrojakEW]

I like those ambient underscore tracks. Starting from Mysterious Places up to Desolation. Great mood. It kind of remind me of soundtrack for Fallout 1 & 2 that was composed by Mark Morgan. Those tracks are nice.

The other tracks are not bad but little cheese for me. Even that Mystery TV Theme.

[vurt]

I'm still entertaining the idea of elaborating on my thoughts as to some issues I believe you are facing, but it's such a daunting prospect

do it as cartman to take the sting out of the tail...

"he rack a disciprin!"

It's comments like that that make me question the wisdom in choosing Cartman as an avatar. It's not like he's my spirit animal, or brother-from-another-mother i.e I don't think he reflects my personality at all. I just think he's the funniest animated character, and it makes me smile just to see his picture

that makes no sense, if i thought you came across as having the same personality, there would be no need for you to imitate it

[wagtunes]

I'm still entertaining the idea of elaborating on my thoughts as to some issues I believe you are facing, but it's such a daunting prospect

Let me make it easy for you. I wanted to be a rock star. To that end, I was willing to do anything to make it happen, even things I didn't want to do. Now, I have reached an age where I don't care as much. I can't say I don't care at all because if I didn't, I'd stop making music. But right now I'm more concerned with enjoying what I do than making a living at it.

Case in point.

Musicvine rejected me. If I REALLY wanted to make it in the production music business, I'd either reapply with different tunes or go to other sites. That I've given up this quickly shows that I really didn't care that much in the first place.

And quite honestly, this should be normal as we get older. The idea of "fame" diminishes with time. At least it has with me. Besides, I'm not sure I'd want to be famous with all the wackos out there today. Look what happened to John Lennon. I wouldn't trade my life with his for all the money in the world.

In short, my priorities have changed. And with all that, what do you know, I still enjoy making music. Probably more than I did when I first started, partly because I'm better at it.

So my issue now is I have to stop pretending that this still matters so much to me. Maybe if I can do that, I can REALLY enjoy the process of just making music and sharing it with a few people.

I wish 20 year old me could be reading this.

[wagtunes]

I like those ambient underscore tracks. Starting from Mysterious Places up to Desolation. Great mood. It kind of remind me of soundtrack for Fallout 1 & 2 that was composed by Mark Morgan. Those tracks are nice.

The other tracks are not bad but little cheese for me. Even that Mystery TV Theme.

Do you think my mistake was not submitting those tracks instead of the mystery tracks?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I'm still entertaining the idea of elaborating on my thoughts as to some issues I believe you are facing, but it's such a daunting prospect

Let me make it easy for you

By writing nothing that I would've written?? How does that work?

[vurt]

I'm still entertaining the idea of elaborating on my thoughts as to some issues I believe you are facing, but it's such a daunting prospect

Let me make it easy for you. I wanted to be a rock star. To that end, I was willing to do anything to make it happen, even things I didn't want to do. Now, I have reached an age where I don't care as much. I can't say I don't care at all because if I didn't, I'd stop making music. But right now I'm more concerned with enjoying what I do than making a living at it.

Case in point.

Musicvine rejected me. If I REALLY wanted to make it in the production music business, I'd either reapply with different tunes or go to other sites. That I've given up this quickly shows that I really didn't care that much in the first place.

And quite honestly, this should be normal as we get older. The idea of "fame" diminishes with time. At least it has with me. Besides, I'm not sure I'd want to be famous with all the wackos out there today. Look what happened to John Lennon. I wouldn't trade my life with his for all the money in the world.

In short, my priorities have changed. And with all that, what do you know, I still enjoy making music. Probably more than I did when I first started, partly because I'm better at it.

So my issue now is I have to stop pretending that this still matters so much to me. Maybe if I can do that, I can REALLY enjoy the process of just making music and sharing it with a few people.

I wish 20 year old me could be reading this.

even if you take out worst case scenario of being assassinated, public life isnt as much fun as you think it might be when you're a teenager.
look at how many marriages the long term stars get through? you be willing to trade your missus for one big hit? no of course not.

yes, some do manage normalish happy lives, but they are few and far between, success costs.
theres an interesting steven wilson interview where he talks about the sacrifices hes made in never settling down to be as successful as he is, now at 50ish.
most people haven't even heard of him, so imagine the sacrifice hed have made to be a household name
i never got anywhere near famous, but early on i did tour with a band, not overseas or anything but, this caused issues in my relationship because of time away.

im much happier now, because i dont give a flying f bomb, what anyone thinks of my "art" because i dont need to, there is no paying fan base to keep paying me, no management expecting something in particular, i get to do what i want.

[wagtunes]

I'm still entertaining the idea of elaborating on my thoughts as to some issues I believe you are facing, but it's such a daunting prospect

Let me make it easy for you

By writing nothing that I would've written?? How does that work?

Regardless of what you might have written, regarding my "issues", let me ask you a question.

Do you think a 62 year old feels the same as a 20 year old? Don't you think the years that pass changes someone?

I wanted to be a famous songwriter and win a grammy. Now, not so much. Would I throw a Grammy Aware back in somebody's face? No, of course not. But I don't live for it anymore. Right now, I just want to enjoy whatever time I have left. The only thing I can say with absolute certainty about myself at this point in my life is I enjoy making music. If I didn't, I would have quit a long time ago.

Anything else that you want to speculate about my issues (unless you're a trained psychiatrist) is just that, speculation.

So by all means, if it gives you joy, speculate away.

Just don't expect me to care because I don't. I'm tired of people who think they know me. They don't. Nobody knows me. Hell, I don't even know myself, which is why I can't answer Benedict's question on "who am I?"

Point is, whoever I am, don't care. Not sure I ever did care. All I want to do is have fun. For me, that's making music. So that's what I'm going to do.

The rest of it is inconsequential.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I'm still entertaining the idea of elaborating on my thoughts as to some issues I believe you are facing, but it's such a daunting prospect

Let me make it easy for you

By writing nothing that I would've written?? How does that work?

Regardless of what you might have written, regarding my "issues", let me ask you a question.

Do you think a 62 year old feels the same as a 20 year old? Don't you think the years that pass changes someone?

I wanted to be a famous songwriter and win a grammy. Now, not so much. Would I throw a Grammy Aware back in somebody's face? No, of course not. But I don't live for it anymore. Right now, I just want to enjoy whatever time I have left. The only thing I can say with absolute certainty about myself at this point in my life is I enjoy making music. If I didn't, I would have quit a long time ago.

Anything else that you want to speculate about my issues (unless you're a trained psychiatrist) is just that, speculation.

So by all means, if it gives you joy, speculate away.

Just don't expect me to care because I don't. I'm tired of people who think they know me. They don't. Nobody knows me. Hell, I don't even know myself, which is why I can't answer Benedict's question on "who am I?"

Point is, whoever I am, don't care. Not sure I ever did care. All I want to do is have fun. For me, that's making music. So that's what I'm going to do.

The rest of it is inconsequential.

The irony of you talking about speculation while writing multiple paragraphs imagining what the hell I'm talking about.

You put some questions to me, a few days back, and I've been mulling over how to respond to them in a way that makes sense, and that might offer some ideas about how to push forward. Past experience has taught me that will just end up in a fight to get past your walls of excuses, and "I've been doing this for 200 years, and I haven't got anywhere...so now I just don't care anymore" self-talk bullshit.

What a f**king dance! I didn't even manage to start to put it all together and you're already gloved-up, out of your corner, and drooling through your mouth-guard.

So by all means, if it gives you joy, speculate away.

I tried to tell you the other day: If I was interested in tearing you down, I wouldn't keep coming back trying to help. Normally that would be a joyful experience, were it not for having to battle against your constant perception that I hate you. Not joyful, at all

[vurt]

indeed, i know elbo rides you hard, but i have never thought it was with any malice.
if anything hes done more to help you than anyone else here, and if you read everything hes wrote again, hes trying to encourage you to be the best you there is. that is not something someone who hates you would do!

[wagtunes]

indeed, i know elbo rides you hard, but i have never thought it was with any malice.
if anything hes done more to help you than anyone else here, and if you read everything hes wrote again, hes trying to encourage you to be the best you there is. that is not something someone who hates you would do!

I don't think he hates me. Honestly, at this point, I don't care what he thinks about me. My point is, whatever suggestions, advice, or whatever he wants to give me, doesn't matter anymore. He thinks my not caring is BS? Fine. Let him think that. I care about making music. That's it. As far as Musicvine or any other production music site goes, I have 2 choices.

1. I can submit something else and try again.

2. I can just forget about it.

You know what? There actually have been things in my life that I've done that I've abandoned and never looked back. In fact, I had a whole professional life before I ever got to this forum that is now just a distant memory. A life that included selling e-books, doing copywriting, business consulting, computer programming, teaching and working for 9 years for the biggest crook in the auto industry. At one point, I tried doing a business comic video series with another person but creative differences ended that real soon.

In short, there has to be at least 50 things I've done in my life that I no longer do. So giving up trying to get into the production music business will just be another thing in a long line of things I've given up on.

That pretty much has been the story of my life. And maybe that's my fault. Maybe I never stuck to anything long enough to even have a chance of succeeding at it. And of course, in the entertainment business, achieving success is more difficult that achieving success as an accountant. My mother begged me not to get into music (and this coming from a professional musician who made her living in music) and I can now understand why. Making music is not like doing somebody's taxes where you're just filling in the boxes. Music has to reach people on an emotional level. And since emotions are not black and white and not something you can put on an accounting ledger, there is no formula for success. Some of the most "talented" people in the world never have success in this business.

I honestly don't want to spend the rest of my life chasing after something that has little chance of becoming a reality.

People can believe that or not believe that. Doesn't matter.

And if I have to just close this thread to prove that, I will.

Enough is enough.

I just want to make music and be happy making music.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

indeed, i know elbo rides you hard, but i have never thought it was with any malice.
if anything hes done more to help you than anyone else here, and if you read everything hes wrote again, hes trying to encourage you to be the best you there is. that is not something someone who hates you would do!

I don't think he hates me. Honestly, at this point, I don't care what he thinks about me. My point is, whatever suggestions, advice, or whatever he wants to give me, doesn't matter anymore. He thinks my not caring is BS? Fine. Let him think that. I care about making music. That's it. As far as Musicvine or any other production music site goes, I have 2 choices.

1. I can submit something else and try again.

2. I can just forget about it.

You know what? There actually have been things in my life that I've done that I've abandoned and never looked back. In fact, I had a whole professional life before I ever got to this forum that is now just a distant memory. A life that included selling e-books, doing copywriting, business consulting, computer programming, teaching and working for 9 years for the biggest crook in the auto industry. At one point, I tried doing a business comic video series with another person but creative differences ended that real soon.

In short, there has to be at least 50 things I've done in my life that I no longer do. So giving up trying to get into the production music business will just be another thing in a long line of things I've given up on.

That pretty much has been the story of my life. And maybe that's my fault. Maybe I never stuck to anything long enough to even have a chance of succeeding at it. And of course, in the entertainment business, achieving success is more difficult that achieving success as an accountant. My mother begged me not to get into music (and this coming from a professional musician who made her living in music) and I can now understand why. Making music is not like doing somebody's taxes where you're just filling in the boxes. Music has to reach people on an emotional level. And since emotions are not black and white and not something you can put on an accounting ledger, there is no formula for success. Some of the most "talented" people in the world never have success in this business.

I honestly don't want to spend the rest of my life chasing after something that has little chance of becoming a reality.

People can believe that or not believe that. Doesn't matter.

And if I have to just close this thread to prove that, I will.

Enough is enough.

I just want to make music and be happy making music.

Wasn't talking about MusicVine f**k this

[Winstontaneous]

Regardless of what you might have written, regarding my "issues", let me ask you a question.

Do you think a 62 year old feels the same as a 20 year old? Don't you think the years that pass changes someone?

I think in your case the answer to these two questions is "yes" to the 1st, "no" to the 2nd. I check out your tunes here regularly - some I like, some have made me cringe (the robo-voice stuff). But you have the fire in your belly to make music and have people hear it, and you hustle like a young gun.

[TrojakEW]

Do you think my mistake was not submitting those tracks instead of the mystery tracks?

No mistake. Actually it shows you can do very different things and you are not making similar sounding track everytime. It is just matter of preference. So I like those ambient atmospheric tracks more. It doesn't mean they are bad.

[wagtunes]

indeed, i know elbo rides you hard, but i have never thought it was with any malice.
if anything hes done more to help you than anyone else here, and if you read everything hes wrote again, hes trying to encourage you to be the best you there is. that is not something someone who hates you would do!

I don't think he hates me. Honestly, at this point, I don't care what he thinks about me. My point is, whatever suggestions, advice, or whatever he wants to give me, doesn't matter anymore. He thinks my not caring is BS? Fine. Let him think that. I care about making music. That's it. As far as Musicvine or any other production music site goes, I have 2 choices.

1. I can submit something else and try again.

2. I can just forget about it.

You know what? There actually have been things in my life that I've done that I've abandoned and never looked back. In fact, I had a whole professional life before I ever got to this forum that is now just a distant memory. A life that included selling e-books, doing copywriting, business consulting, computer programming, teaching and working for 9 years for the biggest crook in the auto industry. At one point, I tried doing a business comic video series with another person but creative differences ended that real soon.

In short, there has to be at least 50 things I've done in my life that I no longer do. So giving up trying to get into the production music business will just be another thing in a long line of things I've given up on.

That pretty much has been the story of my life. And maybe that's my fault. Maybe I never stuck to anything long enough to even have a chance of succeeding at it. And of course, in the entertainment business, achieving success is more difficult that achieving success as an accountant. My mother begged me not to get into music (and this coming from a professional musician who made her living in music) and I can now understand why. Making music is not like doing somebody's taxes where you're just filling in the boxes. Music has to reach people on an emotional level. And since emotions are not black and white and not something you can put on an accounting ledger, there is no formula for success. Some of the most "talented" people in the world never have success in this business.

I honestly don't want to spend the rest of my life chasing after something that has little chance of becoming a reality.

People can believe that or not believe that. Doesn't matter.

And if I have to just close this thread to prove that, I will.

Enough is enough.

I just want to make music and be happy making music.

Wasn't talking about MusicVine f**k this

Thank God. Maybe now I can get some peace.