Catalina: Apple turns macOS into a closed platform; many audio-devs warned from the upgrade

[JCJR]

Finally decided, I like MOTU as a company and have fond memories of DP but never liked the copy protection scheme. Dam Pace. So decided to try Reaper and see how bad it could be? I like the licensing and price and "on paper" the features I wanted were there.

DP doesn't use PACE anymore (since many years already). You just need to insert a serial number, and you're done. Very much like in REAPER

Thanks fmr good to know. So I could install/run dp on multiple machines (to always be used only by me) with just a serial number and no installed instance counting and no calling home? No "you just permanently lost an install" if the laptop hard drive crashes?

If so then that is great, kudos to motu. Am purt sure the licensing was still more restrictive when I was looking at PC DP, seems like 2012 or 2013 but maybe later. I investigated it purt closely as my cheapskate self is inclined to do before spending $500. But maybe was wrong. Which happens with alarming regularity.

Tis a free world. Devs can use whatever CP they like. Just that if hell ever freezes over then I'll have to endure the cold snap without benefit of any software which uses draconian copy protection.

[fmr]

Thanks fmr good to know. So I could install/run dp on multiple machines (to always be used only by me) with just a serial number and no installed instance counting and no calling home? No "you just permanently lost an install" if the laptop hard drive crashes?

Yep

[machinesworking]

Finally decided, I like MOTU as a company and have fond memories of DP but never liked the copy protection scheme. Dam Pace. So decided to try Reaper and see how bad it could be? I like the licensing and price and "on paper" the features I wanted were there.

DP doesn't use PACE anymore (since many years already). You just need to insert a serial number, and you're done. Very much like in REAPER

Thanks fmr good to know. So I could install/run dp on multiple machines (to always be used only by me) with just a serial number and no installed instance counting and no calling home? No "you just permanently lost an install" if the laptop hard drive crashes?

If so then that is great, kudos to motu. Am purt sure the licensing was still more restrictive when I was looking at PC DP, seems like 2012 or 2013 but maybe later. I investigated it purt closely as my cheapskate self is inclined to do before spending $500. But maybe was wrong. Which happens with alarming regularity.

Tis a free world. Devs can use whatever CP they like. Just that if hell ever freezes over then I'll have to endure the cold snap without benefit of any software which uses draconian copy protection.

Digital Performer the DAW has never used PACE. MOTU uses PACE on Mach Five, and the rest of its separately sold VST/AU plug in line.I can see why people would assume DP also used PACE, but it's probably mostly due to the UVI relationship for most of their plug ins.

[stratology]

Just to be clear: DP10 and previous versions do not need a Pace/iLok license.

But: if you do install the complementary Instrument Library, starting with DP10, Pace software gets installed.

AFAIK, the reason for that is that the Instrument Library originated with UVI/Mach5.

[JCJR]

Digital Performer the DAW has never used PACE. MOTU uses PACE on Mach Five, and the rest of its separately sold VST/AU plug in line.I can see why people would assume DP also used PACE, but it's probably mostly due to the UVI relationship for most of their plug ins.

It is very good thing if DP has user-friendly licensing nowadays. In the ancient of days, going back even before audio was added to Vision and Performer, I still have a stack of key floppies out in the shop in a drawer somewhere. Every version I remember buying used key authorization floppies with exactly 2 un-renewable installs authorized on em. I'm purt sure the early company responsible for that copy protection scheme was the same company called Pace today but I could be wrong.

Probably the last DP versions I got, PPC era were on CD. Would have to go looking thru the vast archives of obsolete discs. Can't recall the protection routine at that time except it was the same deal-- One too many hard drive crashes meant either waiting for an upgrade so you could get 2 new installs on the upgrade, or buying a new copy of the software, so far as I can recall. Maybe remembering wrong but I don't think so. Maybe the old key disk system was somebody else other than early incarnation of Pace. Doesn't matter enough to argue about.

[machinesworking]

Probably the last DP versions I got, PPC era were on CD. Would have to go looking thru the vast archives of obsolete discs. Can't recall the protection routine at that time except it was the same deal-- One too many hard drive crashes meant either waiting for an upgrade so you could get 2 new installs on the upgrade, or buying a new copy of the software, so far as I can recall. Maybe remembering wrong but I don't think so. Maybe the old key disk system was somebody else other than early incarnation of Pace. Doesn't matter enough to argue about.

Yeah I never had that problem, MOTU were understanding about crashes, and I never ever thought for a moment this was PACE, not indication at all that it was.

[fmr]

Digital Performer the DAW has never used PACE.

You're too young

Performer, and Digital Performer, at least up to version 2.0 used PACE (that was BEFORE iLOK). The protection schemne used a key disk that write a protection file in the hard-drive. Each key disk was able to write two authorizations, ad could also work as an authorization itself. The system was cumbersome, and prone to problems. Many times, the protection file became damaged (it would be enough to simply run a disk utility to repair something on the hard-drive to damage the file), and wasn't recognized anymore.

When PACE changed to iLOK based protection, MOTU stopped using it in Digital Performer (and Unisyn), but kept using it in all the other virtual instrument (MX synth, Mach Five, and the Mach Five based instruments)

[fmr]

It is very good thing if DP has user-friendly licensing nowadays. In the ancient of days, going back even before audio was added to Vision and Performer, I still have a stack of key floppies out in the shop in a drawer somewhere. Every version I remember buying used key authorization floppies with exactly 2 un-renewable installs authorized on em. I'm purt sure the early company responsible for that copy protection scheme was the same company called Pace today but I could be wrong.

You remember right

[Christian Schüler]

6) With software notarisation in Catalina macOS is not longer an open platform. Apple now got full control about what software is allowed to run on their system and which is not - at least for legit commercial software.

Which is, as far as Apple is concerned, would be "back to the roots". In the early 1980's, programming for the Macintosh was like programming for the PlayStation: Register as a developer, sign NDA, get your application "approved" etc.

[Christian Schüler]

Advantages for developers

I would add, in raising the barrier to entry, Apple helps to eliminate competition. /s

[WilliamK]

Following.

BTW: sometimes I wonder if I should keep OSX support. on Wusik it's less than 20%...

[Michael L]

William, you could support up to Mojave. I am not upgrading to Catalina in the foreseeable future (years), and we shall see if the market ends up with a large Mojave segment.

[MeldaProduction]

This can't be true! Apple software must run flawlessly since it's so expensive

“It just works”

made my day

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

This can't be true! Apple software must run flawlessly since it's so expensive

“It just works”

made my day

Is your life that shit?

[Hink]

no they just want the thread locked