Сonfirm.c_voltage wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:05 am Darn i climbed into to check above lfo question, and immediately found problem: default preset, open LFO1 section, click "Assign" button, and then click to any of rectangles in FM matrix. All whole DAW become laggy as hell (even with closed synth window). Its just for me or no ?
Win10 \ Studio One4 if so.
Helps if init setting of layer (click to the recycle icon)
f. 'em - a new FM synth from Tracktion
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- KVRist
- 122 posts since 28 Nov, 2021
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- KVRAF
- 9835 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA
I never noticed that before, but yes it happens here too (using Cakewalk). It works OK if you click Assign, then on the far-left side select an operator (not the Matrix display), then select something as a target for that operator on the next display.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 2 Jan, 2018
I have a question on something that doesn’t seem to be covered in the manual: In the matrix, to the right of N and above S1, there is a field PM. If one clicks this, it becomes FM. Does anyone know what it does? Guessing from the labels PM/FM: Does it maybe switch between phase modulation and frequency modulation?
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gentleclockdivider gentleclockdivider https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=203660
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Modulate an operator with itself , if it turns into a saw and eventually collapses into noise, it's Phase mod.MULB wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:16 pm I have a question on something that doesn’t seem to be covered in the manual: In the matrix, to the right of N and above S1, there is a field PM. If one clicks this, it becomes FM. Does anyone know what it does? Guessing from the labels PM/FM: Does it maybe switch between phase modulation and frequency modulation?
If it turns into this kind of waveform

it's FM
In a nutshell
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 2 Jan, 2018
Thanks. For the operators, switching between PM and FM does not seem to make any difference. Self-modulation goes from sine to an approximate saw, then to noise, thus it is PM.gentleclockdivider wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:26 pmModulate an operator with itself , if it turns into a saw and eventually collapses into noise, it's Phase mod.MULB wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:16 pm I have a question on something that doesn’t seem to be covered in the manual: In the matrix, to the right of N and above S1, there is a field PM. If one clicks this, it becomes FM. Does anyone know what it does? Guessing from the labels PM/FM: Does it maybe switch between phase modulation and frequency modulation?
If it turns into this kind of waveform
it's FM
In a nutshell
Since it does not change the behavior of the modulation between operators, the PM/FM field seems to do something else. In the manual, this field is not yet part of the interface, thus it seems to be a new, so far undocumented addition to the synth.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 2 Jan, 2018
I found the solution at https://marketplace.tracktion.com/release-notes?v=fem, 1.0.9. The PM/FM field switches between PM and FM if the noise (N) or sample 1 (S1) operator is the modulator.MULB wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:17 pmThanks. For the operators, switching between PM and FM does not seem to make any difference. Self-modulation goes from sine to an approximate saw, then to noise, thus it is PM.gentleclockdivider wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:26 pmModulate an operator with itself , if it turns into a saw and eventually collapses into noise, it's Phase mod.MULB wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:16 pm I have a question on something that doesn’t seem to be covered in the manual: In the matrix, to the right of N and above S1, there is a field PM. If one clicks this, it becomes FM. Does anyone know what it does? Guessing from the labels PM/FM: Does it maybe switch between phase modulation and frequency modulation?
If it turns into this kind of waveform
it's FM
In a nutshell
Since it does not change the behavior of the modulation between operators, the PM/FM field seems to do something else. In the manual, this field is not yet part of the interface, thus it seems to be a new, so far undocumented addition to the synth.
- KVRAF
- 2627 posts since 16 May, 2004 from Soviet Union
Fixed in released v1.1.8.0c_voltage wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:05 am Darn i climbed into to check above lfo question, and immediately found problem: default preset, open LFO1 section, click "Assign" button, and then click to any of rectangles in FM matrix. All whole DAW become laggy as hell (even with closed synth window). Its just for me or no ?
Win10 \ Studio One4 if so.
Helps if init setting of layer (click to the recycle icon)
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 2 Jan, 2018
In f.'em versions 1.1.8 and 1.1.9, the sampler S1 does not work properly on my system (MacOS 11.7.9). I tried Reaper and FL Studio. The S1 sampler plays strange sounds, different for any note, but never the correct sample sound (I can compare with v. 1.1.6 where it is fine).
Example:
- choose preset AnaFM Bass
- playing notes one hears already weird sounds
- if one switches off O7 and O8, then one clearly can hear that the sound played by S1 is not like Bass Ana Pro1 should sound.
As said, with version 1.1.6 it is fine, the problem occurs for 1.1.8 and 1.1.9.
Can other users confirm this?
Example:
- choose preset AnaFM Bass
- playing notes one hears already weird sounds
- if one switches off O7 and O8, then one clearly can hear that the sound played by S1 is not like Bass Ana Pro1 should sound.
As said, with version 1.1.6 it is fine, the problem occurs for 1.1.8 and 1.1.9.
Can other users confirm this?
- KVRAF
- 2627 posts since 16 May, 2004 from Soviet Union
Yes can confirm. It seems like for sample module was made some large chromatic shift to ten's octaves up by mistake. So can hear only aliasing artefacts. And resp if downs UI keyb octaves manually + down octave knob to -4 can hear properly tone.MULB wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:41 pm In f.'em versions 1.1.8 and 1.1.9, the sampler S1 does not work properly on my system (MacOS 11.7.9). I tried Reaper and FL Studio. The S1 sampler plays strange sounds, different for any note, but never the correct sample sound (I can compare with v. 1.1.6 where it is fine).
Example:
- choose preset AnaFM Bass
- playing notes one hears already weird sounds
- if one switches off O7 and O8, then one clearly can hear that the sound played by S1 is not like Bass Ana Pro1 should sound.
As said, with version 1.1.6 it is fine, the problem occurs for 1.1.8 and 1.1.9.
Can other users confirm this?
v119 Win10 here
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 2 Jan, 2018
Thanks for confirming. Strange that such a severe bug passed the developer’s testing before releasing 1.1.8 and even passed unnoticed to release 1.1.9.c_voltage wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:23 pmYes can confirm. It seems like for sample module was made some large chromatic shift to ten's octaves up by mistake. So can hear only aliasing artefacts. And resp if downs UI keyb octaves manually + down octave knob to -4 can hear properly tone.MULB wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:41 pm In f.'em versions 1.1.8 and 1.1.9, the sampler S1 does not work properly on my system (MacOS 11.7.9). I tried Reaper and FL Studio. The S1 sampler plays strange sounds, different for any note, but never the correct sample sound (I can compare with v. 1.1.6 where it is fine).
Example:
- choose preset AnaFM Bass
- playing notes one hears already weird sounds
- if one switches off O7 and O8, then one clearly can hear that the sound played by S1 is not like Bass Ana Pro1 should sound.
As said, with version 1.1.6 it is fine, the problem occurs for 1.1.8 and 1.1.9.
Can other users confirm this?
v119 Win10 here
- KVRAF
- 18338 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I work on making things for a platform where I think the QA testing process is nonexistent. Our team has lost weeks of work because of this. Nothing surprises me anymore.MULB wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:02 pmThanks for confirming. Strange that such a severe bug passed the developer’s testing before releasing 1.1.8 and even passed unnoticed to release 1.1.9.c_voltage wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:23 pmYes can confirm. It seems like for sample module was made some large chromatic shift to ten's octaves up by mistake. So can hear only aliasing artefacts. And resp if downs UI keyb octaves manually + down octave knob to -4 can hear properly tone.MULB wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:41 pm In f.'em versions 1.1.8 and 1.1.9, the sampler S1 does not work properly on my system (MacOS 11.7.9). I tried Reaper and FL Studio. The S1 sampler plays strange sounds, different for any note, but never the correct sample sound (I can compare with v. 1.1.6 where it is fine).
Example:
- choose preset AnaFM Bass
- playing notes one hears already weird sounds
- if one switches off O7 and O8, then one clearly can hear that the sound played by S1 is not like Bass Ana Pro1 should sound.
As said, with version 1.1.6 it is fine, the problem occurs for 1.1.8 and 1.1.9.
Can other users confirm this?
v119 Win10 here
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- KVRAF
- 2311 posts since 24 Jun, 2006 from London, England
Yep confirmed here too on v1.1.9 - Has it been reported ?MULB wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:41 pm In f.'em versions 1.1.8 and 1.1.9, the sampler S1 does not work properly on my system (MacOS 11.7.9). I tried Reaper and FL Studio. The S1 sampler plays strange sounds, different for any note, but never the correct sample sound (I can compare with v. 1.1.6 where it is fine).
Example:
- choose preset AnaFM Bass
- playing notes one hears already weird sounds
- if one switches off O7 and O8, then one clearly can hear that the sound played by S1 is not like Bass Ana Pro1 should sound.
As said, with version 1.1.6 it is fine, the problem occurs for 1.1.8 and 1.1.9.
Can other users confirm this?
Love the wild sound this 'broken' preset makes when wildly gliding up and down the on-screen keyboard though (with O7 & O8 off), hope it's possible to recreate when it's fixed
- KVRAF
- 2627 posts since 16 May, 2004 from Soviet Union
For me usually seems interesting how sounds aliased high timbres too, that why i mostly against requests about total antialiasing (moreover for those notes range, which will not using in normal music anyway + we get additional CPU eating for nothing).mcbpete wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 8:58 pmYep confirmed here too on v1.1.9 - Has it been reported ?MULB wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:41 pm In f.'em versions 1.1.8 and 1.1.9, the sampler S1 does not work properly on my system (MacOS 11.7.9). I tried Reaper and FL Studio. The S1 sampler plays strange sounds, different for any note, but never the correct sample sound (I can compare with v. 1.1.6 where it is fine).
Example:
- choose preset AnaFM Bass
- playing notes one hears already weird sounds
- if one switches off O7 and O8, then one clearly can hear that the sound played by S1 is not like Bass Ana Pro1 should sound.
As said, with version 1.1.6 it is fine, the problem occurs for 1.1.8 and 1.1.9.
Can other users confirm this?
Love the wild sound this 'broken' preset makes when wildly gliding up and down the on-screen keyboard though (with O7 & O8 off), hope it's possible to recreate when it's fixed![]()
About question - a believe it will be possible in normal/fixed state too, with set pitch knob in sampler at max octave, and playing at most high notes.
About bug report - i did.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 2 Jan, 2018
I reported the bug to Tracktion support a week ago. No response yet …c_voltage wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:44 pmFor me usually seems interesting how sounds aliased high timbres too, that why i mostly against requests about total antialiasing (moreover for those notes range, which will not using in normal music anyway + we get additional CPU eating for nothing).mcbpete wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 8:58 pmYep confirmed here too on v1.1.9 - Has it been reported ?MULB wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:41 pm In f.'em versions 1.1.8 and 1.1.9, the sampler S1 does not work properly on my system (MacOS 11.7.9). I tried Reaper and FL Studio. The S1 sampler plays strange sounds, different for any note, but never the correct sample sound (I can compare with v. 1.1.6 where it is fine).
Example:
- choose preset AnaFM Bass
- playing notes one hears already weird sounds
- if one switches off O7 and O8, then one clearly can hear that the sound played by S1 is not like Bass Ana Pro1 should sound.
As said, with version 1.1.6 it is fine, the problem occurs for 1.1.8 and 1.1.9.
Can other users confirm this?
Love the wild sound this 'broken' preset makes when wildly gliding up and down the on-screen keyboard though (with O7 & O8 off), hope it's possible to recreate when it's fixed![]()
About question - a believe it will be possible in normal/fixed state too, with set pitch knob in sampler at max octave, and playing at most high notes.
About bug report - i did.
