Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[Uncle E]

But isn’t owning software fools gold anyways? I mean, I own Battery 2 and the only way I can still use it is buy continuously upgrading and updating to the most current version?

Sorry, are you sure that's accurate? I don't think Battery has required a paid upgrade in years. I'm still using Komplete 9 and have not paid for any updates since then, but maybe I'm just not noticing since I haven't upgraded to Catalina yet.

I own tons of software that are useless now because they’ve been replaced, updated or discontinued

I do agree with the gestalt of your statement but the only company that ever made me feel forced to upgrade was Waves. Even with them, the upgrade cost was only $22 and I would have gained a free $50 plugin by doing it (I say "would have" because I'm waiting until I need them before upgrading ). In all other cases, I upgraded because there were new features I wanted, not because I needed to stay compatible, and I'm still using old versions of a lot of the software I own.

[tdm71]

But isn’t owning software fools gold anyways? I mean, I own Battery 2 and the only way I can still use it is buy continuously upgrading and updating to the most current version?

Sorry, are you sure that's accurate? I don't think Battery has required a paid upgrade in years. I'm still using Komplete 9 and have not paid for any updates since then, but maybe I'm just not noticing since I haven't upgraded to Catalina yet.

I own tons of software that are useless now because they’ve been replaced, updated or discontinued

I do agree with the gestalt of your statement but the only company that ever made me feel forced to upgrade was Waves. Even with them, the upgrade cost was only $22 and I would have gained a free $50 plugin by doing it (I say "would have" because I'm waiting until I need them before upgrading ). In all other cases, I upgraded because there were new features I wanted, not because I needed to stay compatible, and I'm still using old versions of a lot of the software I own.

Well, you “own” software as long as you don’t ever want to move past that time period in which you bought it in. The same way I own a vcr, iPhone 1, and cassette deck. Even owning a car requires you to keep it current and running smoothly vs the new more advanced, smarter, safer model. There’s added value every time you upgrade. Once everything is added up to own something that depreciates in an ever changing technology based climate, leasing and subscriptions don’t seem that bad. Plus, businesses like yours succeed on the constant influx of software/technology not on holding on to what you had 10 years ago. Just two different ways to look at it I guess.

[Insanelysane]

But isn’t owning software fools gold anyways? I mean, I own Battery 2 and the only way I can still use it is buy continuously upgrading and updating to the most current version?

Sorry, are you sure that's accurate? I don't think Battery has required a paid upgrade in years. I'm still using Komplete 9 and have not paid for any updates since then, but maybe I'm just not noticing since I haven't upgraded to Catalina yet.

I own tons of software that are useless now because they’ve been replaced, updated or discontinued

I do agree with the gestalt of your statement but the only company that ever made me feel forced to upgrade was Waves. Even with them, the upgrade cost was only $22 and I would have gained a free $50 plugin by doing it (I say "would have" because I'm waiting until I need them before upgrading ). In all other cases, I upgraded because there were new features I wanted, not because I needed to stay compatible, and I'm still using old versions of a lot of the software I own.

Well, you “own” software as long as you don’t ever want to move past that time period in which you bought it in. The same way I own a vcr, iPhone 1, and cassette deck. Even owning a car requires you to keep it current and running smoothly vs the new more advanced, smarter, safer model. There’s added value every time you upgrade. Once everything is added up to own something that depreciates in an ever changing technology based climate, leasing and subscriptions don’t seem that bad. Plus, businesses like yours succeed on the constant influx of software/technology not on holding on to what you had 10 years ago. Just two different ways to look at it I guess.

All well said.

There is one important difference that one may need to consider regarding longevity: while plugins that are outdated may not work on newer systems (like 32bit ones from belly up companies) at least you can reuse them on those old systems, say if you wanted to make a change to an old project, you should be able to install and activate the old plugins again provided you smartly kept the install files and license file/serial. The argument against subscriptions is if the product is no longer supported you'll have no real way to recover the project settings at a later date. If at any point you stop your subscription you also stop access to all those projects that used them. That can become a problem, especially if the tech is constantly changing and companies subsequently change the rules, terms and conditions, infrastructure etc (like if say Plugin Alliance got bought out by another big company, they may decide to restructure or stop subscriptions and the access you had). It feels less likely but its definitely n argument for 'owning' vs subscription approach.

Not that owning is immune to change amd trouble, but it may give better peace of mind.

[Uncle E]

Your iPhone point definitely drives it home. That’s something I wish I could lease or subscribe to, it’s sad how many of those things we have at home that now work so poorly I can’t even resell them.

Personally, I’m actually pretty conservative when it comes to adding new software. I’ve got a dozen or so plugins that I use 90% of the time and even those I’m in no rush to upgrade when new versions come out. Ozone and RX are probably the ones I use the most and I’m still on old versions of both of them (one of my computers still has RX 4!).

Anyway, for me, I find that a subscription or any kind of limited time ownership makes me shy away from using those things. Like you, I’ve had experiences with important software getting discontinued and becoming literally unusable, and a subscription is like subjecting myself to that same experience on purpose. Whether it’s the truth or not is almost immaterial, the fact is that I ended up not getting much value out of any of my subscriptions. I let my Slate, Output, and EastWest subscriptions all lapse and it barely affected me because I barely used them.

[ATS]

Can anyone tell me where the Waves vouchers are from the previous sale? You know spend $50 get $15 or whatever it was.

[Ou_Tis]

Can anyone tell me where the Waves vouchers are from the previous sale? You know spend $50 get $15 or whatever it was.

Waves should have emailed you a link on January 3rd to see your voucher code. If you bought from a 3rd party vendor, you have to have registered the serials within the designated timeframe.

Email should read Title: "Your Cash Back Rewards are now available" from: Waves Audio

[ATS]

Can anyone tell me where the Waves vouchers are from the previous sale? You know spend $50 get $15 or whatever it was.

Waves should have emailed you a link on January 3rd to see your voucher code. If you bought from a 3rd party vendor, you have to have registered the serials within the designated timeframe.

Email should read Title: "Your Cash Back Rewards are now available" from: Waves Audio

I did register the ssl collection before the time was up but nothing

[zacha]

But isn’t owning software fools gold anyways? I mean, I own Battery 2 and the only way I can still use it is buy continuously upgrading and updating to the most current version?

Sorry, are you sure that's accurate? I don't think Battery has required a paid upgrade in years. I'm still using Komplete 9 and have not paid for any updates since then, but maybe I'm just not noticing since I haven't upgraded to Catalina yet.

I own tons of software that are useless now because they’ve been replaced, updated or discontinued

I do agree with the gestalt of your statement but the only company that ever made me feel forced to upgrade was Waves. Even with them, the upgrade cost was only $22 and I would have gained a free $50 plugin by doing it (I say "would have" because I'm waiting until I need them before upgrading ). In all other cases, I upgraded because there were new features I wanted, not because I needed to stay compatible, and I'm still using old versions of a lot of the software I own.

Well, you “own” software as long as you don’t ever want to move past that time period in which you bought it in. The same way I own a vcr, iPhone 1, and cassette deck. Even owning a car requires you to keep it current and running smoothly vs the new more advanced, smarter, safer model. There’s added value every time you upgrade. Once everything is added up to own something that depreciates in an ever changing technology based climate, leasing and subscriptions don’t seem that bad. Plus, businesses like yours succeed on the constant influx of software/technology not on holding on to what you had 10 years ago. Just two different ways to look at it I guess.

The backwards compatibility of a VCR today is actually still pretty impressive. Many TVs still have an RCA video in, so if your VCR still works and you have tapes, you could still record TV signals originally mixed for 1080p and 5.1+ surround via a set top box, and play them back just fine.

Each stage of consumer TV technological advances included strong backwards compatibility to previous versions, to the point where you could still now play HD content on an old, mono, black and white TV (again, with a set-top box).

I don’t think it’s too much to ask for expensive audio software to work that well.

[VariKusBrainZ]

But isn’t owning software fools gold anyways? I mean, I own Battery 2 and the only way I can still use it is buy continuously upgrading and updating to the most current version?

Sorry, are you sure that's accurate? I don't think Battery has required a paid upgrade in years. I'm still using Komplete 9 and have not paid for any updates since then, but maybe I'm just not noticing since I haven't upgraded to Catalina yet.

I own tons of software that are useless now because they’ve been replaced, updated or discontinued

I do agree with the gestalt of your statement but the only company that ever made me feel forced to upgrade was Waves. Even with them, the upgrade cost was only $22 and I would have gained a free $50 plugin by doing it (I say "would have" because I'm waiting until I need them before upgrading ). In all other cases, I upgraded because there were new features I wanted, not because I needed to stay compatible, and I'm still using old versions of a lot of the software I own.

Well, you “own” software as long as you don’t ever want to move past that time period in which you bought it in. The same way I own a vcr, iPhone 1, and cassette deck. Even owning a car requires you to keep it current and running smoothly vs the new more advanced, smarter, safer model. There’s added value every time you upgrade. Once everything is added up to own something that depreciates in an ever changing technology based climate, leasing and subscriptions don’t seem that bad. Plus, businesses like yours succeed on the constant influx of software/technology not on holding on to what you had 10 years ago. Just two different ways to look at it I guess.

The backwards compatibility of a VCR today is actually still pretty impressive. Many TVs still have an RCA video in, so if your VCR still works and you have tapes, you could still record TV signals originally mixed for 1080p and 5.1+ surround via a set top box, and play them back just fine.

Each stage of consumer TV technological advances included strong backwards compatibility to previous versions, to the point where you could still now play HD content on an old, mono, black and white TV (again, with a set-top box).

I don’t think it’s too much to ask for expensive audio software to work that well.

You cant compare a popular comodity with a very niche product

[agharta]

The backwards compatibility of a VCR today is actually still pretty impressive. Many TVs still have an RCA video in, so if your VCR still works and you have tapes, you could still record TV signals originally mixed for 1080p and 5.1+ surround via a set top box, and play them back just fine.

Modern set-top-boxes tend to output via a digital interface only so there's no way to connect to an analogue only VCR.
Plus they will tend to use DRM so you can't just use a cheap HDMI to analogue converter.
But you can 'happily' play your low resolution VCR recordings on a modern 4K TV; if you're a masochist.

[khanyz]

The AmazonBasics Braided XLR Microphone Cable that I posted about in bargains only look remarkably like the Sewell Silverback Roar XLR Patch Cable, though Sewell don’t do 10ft ones.

https://sewelldirect.com/products/silve ... -xlr-cable

[Uncle E]

The 5-Pack is the only one that is much of a deal. You'll want to remove the spring ends, otherwise the noise can get picked up on recordings.

[zacha]

The backwards compatibility of a VCR today is actually still pretty impressive. Many TVs still have an RCA video in, so if your VCR still works and you have tapes, you could still record TV signals originally mixed for 1080p and 5.1+ surround via a set top box, and play them back just fine.

Modern set-top-boxes tend to output via a digital interface only so there's no way to connect to an analogue only VCR.
Plus they will tend to use DRM so you can't just use a cheap HDMI to analogue converter.
But you can 'happily' play your low resolution VCR recordings on a modern 4K TV; if you're a masochist.

Depends on the box

[Uncle E]

In your scenario, the onus for backwards compatibility is on the DAW's and operating systems. The VCR manufacturers aren't updating their old machines, it's the TV manufacturers that making it possible for those VCR's to plug-in.

[zacha]

Yes. The new systems are built with strong backwards compatibility in mind. It’s great. But I think I’m gonna let this go here