Zebra 3 feature suggestions

[Ploki]

Yeah certainly, but in the end it would just piss me off that i can't import my own.

[fladd]

[...]I categorically dislike sample-playback engines that DON'T allow me sample import, unless they're dedicated samplers[...]

I guess you mean the other way around. If anything, a sampler should be able to sample...

Yeah certainly, but in the end it would just piss me off that i can't import my own.

Does it also displease you that you cannot import your own samples in a D-50, JD-800, JD-990, or JV-1080? Or replace the Crash, Ride and HiHat in a TR-909?

[fladd]

We're certain that the oscillators will support Hive-style wavetables (.wav and .uhm) on top of the current Geo/Spectro/Blend/Morph. A transient/one shot mode is an option under consideration, as is a separate transient modules which could take an oscillator (or anything) as an input (this would basically be a combination of VCA and envelope which creates a key-followed window).

I assume (don't know for sure, don't have Hive) this would also do, as .wav import would allow importing short samples of the attack from real instruments then (LA-synthesis style; one-shot mode would be crucial here though). Thanks for clarifying Urs!

[Hanz Meyzer]

nvm

[Ploki]

I guess you mean the other way around. If anything, a sampler should be able to sample...

Does it also displease you that you cannot import your own samples in a D-50, JD-800, JD-990, or JV-1080? Or replace the Crash, Ride and HiHat in a TR-909?

I didn't mean the other way around, may have worded it poorly. I don't like sample engines inside larger structures and workstation/workhorse synths, that don't allow me sample import.
In dedicated samplers, such a Piano plugin (i.e. Ivory Grand), I wouldn't care about it, since i don't load a piano plugin to use drum sounds in it.

I don't know why are you citing a vintage hardware piece like TR909 tho. First, I don't own any of those historic pieces so i really don't care.
Second, Zebra2 was always regarded as a highly flexible you-can-do-anything synth. I just don't get how a fixed set of samples would in any reasonable manner fit into the idea of Zebra

[fladd]

[...]In dedicated samplers, such a Piano plugin (i.e. Ivory Grand), I wouldn't care about it, since i don't load a piano plugin to use drum sounds in it.

I guess that's the part that confused me as a Piano plugin is not a sampler at all.

I don't know why are you citing a vintage hardware piece like TR909 tho. First, I don't own any of those historic pieces so i really don't care.
Second, Zebra2 was always regarded as a highly flexible you-can-do-anything synth. I just don't get how a fixed set of samples would in any reasonable manner fit into the idea of Zebra

I'm bringing them up because they used a fixed set of short PCM waveforms as basis for their synthesis, and I don't think people generally felt like they need to replace those waveforms with their own samples. It's just an integral part of these synths. PCM-based oscillators would fit into Zebra the same way they fit into many other digital synths from the 80s until today.

[Hanz Meyzer]

I lately thought about having the ability to route separate OSCs to separate outputs... In modern genres, often sounds are layered. Even more, the layers often are processed separately with fx. This is not possible with a single instance of Zebra, but the routing matrix already is there and you actually could add an additional line below and provide an "output module", so you could each osc as you like, maybe even use Zebra FX. I am missing the same in Hive 2 btw.

So then you could route different OSCs to separate outputs, but still using the same "meta" modulation like LFO, ENVs and so on all the OSCs. I think this would be a huge time saver in workflow.

[pdxindy]

PCM-based oscillators would fit into Zebra the same way they fit into many other digital synths from the 80s until today.

It may be inevitable some day based on user pressure, but I hope Zebra 3 does not have PCM based oscillators.

[lectropunk]

Will my zebra 2.9 and zebra hz presets work with zebra 3 when its released?

[fladd]

PCM-based oscillators would fit into Zebra the same way they fit into many other digital synths from the 80s until today.

It may be inevitable some day based on user pressure, but I hope Zebra 3 does not have PCM based oscillators.

Not sure why a feature no one would force you to use would bother you...

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Will my zebra 2.9 and zebra hz presets work with zebra 3 when its released?

This came up in the past and the answer is no. Z3 will be a completely new product and z2 will continue to be supported after Z3 is released. Unless the plan has changed.

[lectropunk]

That is cool and thank you

[pdxindy]

PCM-based oscillators would fit into Zebra the same way they fit into many other digital synths from the 80s until today.

It may be inevitable some day based on user pressure, but I hope Zebra 3 does not have PCM based oscillators.

Not sure why a feature no one would force you to use would bother you...

I would rather the development time be put to improvements/innovations in synthesis methods than implementing sample based Osc's. The later of which will inevitably lead to endless requests for more sample based features.

Hive's wavetable capability is plenty enough already

All my opinion of course and you are free to advocate for what you want

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I wouldn't be opposed to some kind of .wav capabilities for everything from D-50 style sounds to granular messing about, but Urs seems more interested in pure synthesis and shoots it down whenever it comes up so I doubt it's going to happen. Unless someone can figure out how to get him interested in doing something with samples.

[pdxindy]

I wouldn't be opposed to some kind of .wav capabilities for everything from D-50 style sounds to granular messing about, but Urs seems more interested in pure synthesis and shoots it down whenever it comes up so I doubt it's going to happen. Unless someone can figure out how to get him interested in doing something with samples.

Hive's wavetable import is already a step in that direction... One can resynthesize audio into wavetables in Icarus or Serum and import it into Hive.