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kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:32 am

I wondered about that too. You'd think it's a death knell for hw sales, but Korg must have looked into it. Maybe hw sales have a very finite time period that falls off sharply after a certain time, so it won't affect it much. Maybe they decided that people who buy hw will buy it anyway. It applies to me - now have both but I think I would buy the hw again even knowing that a plugin was available. Just cos I like twiddling knobs and playing a real physical instrument. Despite the fact that I bought the plugin thinking it would be easier to patch than on the hw...limited time with the plugin so far but TBH I'm not so sure it's that much easier to patch than the hw?

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:37 am

I think that probably about right...
VCV exists, I still buy Eurorack Modules...I have digital FX pedals despite having it all covered ITB...
Some people do everything ITB, Korg can now get their money. Sure, they have to deal with the people how steal software, but they are not the sort of people who buy anything...so no revenue lost!

Biome_Digital · Post by **Biome_Digital** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:35 am

kritikon wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:32 am I wondered about that too. You'd think it's a death knell for hw sales, but Korg must have looked into it. Maybe hw sales have a very finite time period that falls off sharply after a certain time, so it won't affect it much. Maybe they decided that people who buy hw will buy it anyway. It applies to me - now have both but I think I would buy the hw again even knowing that a plugin was available. Just cos I like twiddling knobs and playing a real physical instrument. Despite the fact that I bought the plugin thinking it would be easier to patch than on the hw...limited time with the plugin so far but TBH I'm not so sure it's that much easier to patch than the hw?

I just think there is a market for hardware, and a market for software. Obviously, with some overlap. People that want a hardware box are still going to buy it.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:37 am

I think so too, and selfishly hope so (as a software guy the more stuff available for both hardware and software pleases me)
rsp

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:39 am

Biome_Digital wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:35 am
kritikon wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:32 am I wondered about that too. You'd think it's a death knell for hw sales, but Korg must have looked into it. Maybe hw sales have a very finite time period that falls off sharply after a certain time, so it won't affect it much. Maybe they decided that people who buy hw will buy it anyway. It applies to me - now have both but I think I would buy the hw again even knowing that a plugin was available. Just cos I like twiddling knobs and playing a real physical instrument. Despite the fact that I bought the plugin thinking it would be easier to patch than on the hw...limited time with the plugin so far but TBH I'm not so sure it's that much easier to patch than the hw?
I just think there is a market for hardware, and a market for software. Obviously, with some overlap. People that want a hardware box are still going to buy it.

This is my feeling as well. That plus the people who use both. What I find absolutely fascinating though is that they are truly 1:1 copies. It's not like if you buy the hardware you get this and that extra.

/C

Stanoli · Post by **Stanoli** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:44 am

DrGonzo wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:15 am The knee-jerk reaction would be it would impact sales negatively - but I'm not too sure about that.

I think they will sell more, there are the Die-Hards and the Die-Softs.

I never buy hardware because of price and space and software delivering pristine soundquality nowadays, so Wavestate became available for me.

Biome_Digital · Post by **Biome_Digital** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:58 am

DrGonzo wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:39 am
Biome_Digital wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:35 am
kritikon wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:32 am I wondered about that too. You'd think it's a death knell for hw sales, but Korg must have looked into it. Maybe hw sales have a very finite time period that falls off sharply after a certain time, so it won't affect it much. Maybe they decided that people who buy hw will buy it anyway. It applies to me - now have both but I think I would buy the hw again even knowing that a plugin was available. Just cos I like twiddling knobs and playing a real physical instrument. Despite the fact that I bought the plugin thinking it would be easier to patch than on the hw...limited time with the plugin so far but TBH I'm not so sure it's that much easier to patch than the hw?
I just think there is a market for hardware, and a market for software. Obviously, with some overlap. People that want a hardware box are still going to buy it.
What I find absolutely fascinating though is that they are truly 1:1 copies.

/C

Well, maybe that will help some people understand that if it is a digital synth, it is just software in a hardware box.

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:17 pm

Biome_Digital wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:58 am
DrGonzo wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:39 am
Biome_Digital wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:35 am
kritikon wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:32 am I wondered about that too. You'd think it's a death knell for hw sales, but Korg must have looked into it. Maybe hw sales have a very finite time period that falls off sharply after a certain time, so it won't affect it much. Maybe they decided that people who buy hw will buy it anyway. It applies to me - now have both but I think I would buy the hw again even knowing that a plugin was available. Just cos I like twiddling knobs and playing a real physical instrument. Despite the fact that I bought the plugin thinking it would be easier to patch than on the hw...limited time with the plugin so far but TBH I'm not so sure it's that much easier to patch than the hw?
I just think there is a market for hardware, and a market for software. Obviously, with some overlap. People that want a hardware box are still going to buy it.
What I find absolutely fascinating though is that they are truly 1:1 copies.

/C
Well, maybe that will help some people understand that if it is a digital synth, it is just software in a hardware box.

Yeah - this situation is rather unique and clear-cut, as it's truly a 1:1 copy. I wonder if these plugins were planned from the beginning. My gut-feeling is that they were. Maybe the third one (Korg Modwave) is also on the horizon. That would be really cool.

I don't think the discussion about software vs self-contained hardware will die out anytime soon though. I mean there are still people who get insanely annoyed if a person buys a Mac rather than a PC, which is like the extreme of extremes.

Live and let live and the more choices we have the better.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:04 pm

About the 1:1 copy thing - does Opsix Native also have the sequencer? I haven't tried the demo - if I can find out how to get the bloody Opsix to give me my coupon code I'll buy it outright without trying, but not at full price. Seems like a sequencer in a plugin synth is a bit redundant as you can automate everything already so wasn't sure if they ported that too. I love the sequencer so much more than I thought it would.

Yadrichik_Chaya · Post by **Yadrichik_Chaya** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:08 pm

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aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:51 pm

kritikon wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:04 pm About the 1:1 copy thing - does Opsix Native also have the sequencer? I haven't tried the demo - if I can find out how to get the bloody Opsix to give me my coupon code I'll buy it outright without trying, but not at full price. Seems like a sequencer in a plugin synth is a bit redundant as you can automate everything already so wasn't sure if they ported that too. I love the sequencer so much more than I thought it would.

Yes it does (well it has a sequencer, I assume it's the same given they say it is a 1:1 copy, but not having the hardware to compare)

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:55 pm

DrGonzo wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:39 am
Biome_Digital wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:35 am
kritikon wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:32 am I wondered about that too. You'd think it's a death knell for hw sales, but Korg must have looked into it. Maybe hw sales have a very finite time period that falls off sharply after a certain time, so it won't affect it much. Maybe they decided that people who buy hw will buy it anyway. It applies to me - now have both but I think I would buy the hw again even knowing that a plugin was available. Just cos I like twiddling knobs and playing a real physical instrument. Despite the fact that I bought the plugin thinking it would be easier to patch than on the hw...limited time with the plugin so far but TBH I'm not so sure it's that much easier to patch than the hw?
I just think there is a market for hardware, and a market for software. Obviously, with some overlap. People that want a hardware box are still going to buy it.
This is my feeling as well. That plus the people who use both. What I find absolutely fascinating though is that they are truly 1:1 copies. It's not like if you buy the hardware you get this and that extra.

/C

I guess they have realised there actually is some benefit from having a hardware and software version of the same thing because the latter is easier to use within certain DAW based workflows while many will prefer the hardware for live playing and each have a role in sound design.

Also it seems it was more feasible because the hardware is already software running on a modified Raspberry Pi.

dumbledog · Post by **dumbledog** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:06 pm

Anyone know of a servicable non-centering joystick that can send MIDI? The only one I've been able to find is the Lab4music Enjoy for a cool $300, yowch.

Come to think of it I have a Roland D-05, I wonder if its stick transmits MIDI...

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:52 pm

I know where you can get a joystick that transmits midi...

...Get a hw Wavestate.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:55 pm

dumbledog wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:06 pm Anyone know of a servicable non-centering joystick that can send MIDI? The only one I've been able to find is the Lab4music Enjoy for a cool $300, yowch.

Come to think of it I have a Roland D-05, I wonder if its stick transmits MIDI...

just open it up and remove the springs

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