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teilo wrote: Where are you finding any statement that Carla supports CLAP either as a host or plugin?
On the GitHub of Ildaeil CLAP is mentioned:
https://github.com/DISTRHO/Ildaeil

But I didn't find anything about CLAP in a quick skim of the GitHub page.

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MDicey wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 3:03 pm
teilo wrote: Where are you finding any statement that Carla supports CLAP either as a host or plugin?
On the GitHub of Ildaeil CLAP is mentioned:
https://github.com/DISTRHO/Ildaeil

But I didn't find anything about CLAP in a quick skim of the GitHub page.
There are CLAP files in the 1.3 releases, at least for win64 (and likely for others).

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teilo wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:01 pm Announcing a new site to track hosts and plugins that support the new CLAP plugin format.

https://clapdb.tech/
Someone should update or remove https://cleveraudio.org/hosts-and-plug-ins/
since with a couple "as of December 2022" it gives the impression this has been abandoned.

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rollasoc wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:49 pm
teilo wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:01 pm Announcing a new site to track hosts and plugins that support the new CLAP plugin format.

https://clapdb.tech/
Someone should update or remove https://cleveraudio.org/hosts-and-plug-ins/
since with a couple "as of December 2022" it gives the impression this has been abandoned.
I currently maintain this myself, but I'll be passing this on soon as I do not have the means to keep it up to date.

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I'm confused about CLAP and last night I started to wonder if there is any extra CPU hit using Clap with VST? I don't know what CLAP is, if it works with midi or what, but since the computer has to process 2 different kind of plugins has anyone looked into this? Just curious.

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osiris wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:35 pm I'm confused about CLAP and last night I started to wonder if there is any extra CPU hit using Clap with VST? I don't know what CLAP is, if it works with midi or what, but since the computer has to process 2 different kind of plugins has anyone looked into this? Just curious.
It is in fact more efficient.
And many more actually useful feature of course...

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osiris wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:35 pm I'm confused about CLAP and last night I started to wonder if there is any extra CPU hit using Clap with VST? I don't know what CLAP is, if it works with midi or what, but since the computer has to process 2 different kind of plugins has anyone looked into this? Just curious.
CLAP is at least as efficient as VST2, sometimes moreso, but with more features than VST2.

Forgot the important bit: it is easily extensible to add more features as needed or wanted.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? :(

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osiris wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:35 pm I'm confused about CLAP and last night I started to wonder if there is any extra CPU hit using Clap with VST? I don't know what CLAP is, if it works with midi or what, but since the computer has to process 2 different kind of plugins has anyone looked into this? Just curious.
You do not use CLAP with a VST. CLAP is a new plugin format that is a superior alternative to VST2 and VST3.

There are several threads in the forums with detailed information about the CLAP plugin format. Please read through them for more info. This topic is to discuss new CLAP plugin releases for inclusion in the CLAP plugin database at https://clapdb.tech

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MDicey wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 3:03 pm
teilo wrote: Where are you finding any statement that Carla supports CLAP either as a host or plugin?
On the GitHub of Ildaeil CLAP is mentioned:
https://github.com/DISTRHO/Ildaeil

But I didn't find anything about CLAP in a quick skim of the GitHub page.
Ildaeil is not Carla. However much they are related, their releases are not coordinated. I'm sure FalkTX can chime in about this. He follows this thread.

I can find no info anywhere that Carla is available in CLAP format.

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It doesn't support it as a plugin (it's currently only available as LV2 and VST2), but it does all the hosting and is the basis for Ildaeil internally. (ie. all of the hosting in Ildaeil is done by Carla as a library. same for Cardinal and Zrythm)

Indeed it seems missing from the Readme, but luckily we can read the source: https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/blob/ma ... inCLAP.cpp

So in that sense it's a "meta host" that can provide CLAP hosting, either as standalone or as a VST2 or LV2 plugin.

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ShowMIDI is a multi-platform GUI application to effortlessly visualize MIDI activity:
https://github.com/gbevin/ShowMIDI
Alongside the standalone application, ShowMIDI is also available as VST2, VST3, AUv2, AUv3, CLAP and LV2 plugins for DAWs and hosts that support MIDI effect plugins.

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I was checking the list and noticed it is mainly the same developers releasing their new plugins in CLAP format, but I don't see the list being extended with new developers that much. I wonder if bigger developers will join in the future like Waves (lol), UAD or NI. Obviously nobody knows, but I just wanted to leave this here for the future generation.

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audiouser720 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:25 pm I was checking the list and noticed it is mainly the same developers releasing their new plugins in CLAP format, but I don't see the list being extended with new developers that much. I wonder if bigger developers will join in the future like Waves (lol), UAD or NI. Obviously nobody knows, but I just wanted to leave this here for the future generation.
As a beta tester, I know of companies not being on the list yet developing CLAP versions. With some dedicating more time to it to take advantage of the new stuff CLAP offers. Given the waves and UAD universe is a bit more complex, I doubt there will be anything coming very soon.

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https://plogue.com/products/chipsynth-c64.html
also available as CLAP (not shown on the website but in the user manual)

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teilo wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:29 am I can find no info anywhere that Carla is available in CLAP format.
From https://github.com/falkTX:
Carla natively supports LADSPA, DSSI, LV2, VST2, VST3 and CLAP plugin formats.
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