RapidComposer v5 beta feedback and discussion

[lovemusic15]

Is there an option that, once your phrase has been played (selected) in the idea tool, it can automatically be removed? For example, when I'm trying to generate different ideas, I sometimes put 25 piano riffs and 25 bass riffs in each track.

It took a few minutes to add this in the idea options menu:



It will automatically remove the phrases that were selected and used from the phrase list.

that's great thank you

[lovemusic15]

It would be incredibly beneficial to have the option of syncing the rhythm across multiple tracks.

I agree.

I can imagine adding a new track type, the rhythm track that has the rhythm only, which can be used by other tracks. This is on my to-do list for a while. If there is demand for this, it could be implemented after v5.1


There's definitely a demand for it. Being able to sync multiple channels at once is a must for music production. Currently, with any generator, even if you put all the same rhythm generators on different tracks, the rhythm still wouldn't sync together.

[BluGenes]

@lovemusic15 Been wanting to mention this, but, you are using the quote system in the forum incorrectly. The way you are doing it makes your response look like it is part of the other person's post. Just type your response below the last "quote" tag, not above it.

[sj1]

I have not thought in any depth about whether this could actually work in RC, but this idea does cross my mind -

You know how in many programs you can use an eyedropper icon to "pick up" a color from some object, and then a paintcan icon to "pour" the current color onto another object ...

How about being able to "pick up" a rhythm from one phrase and then drop it into another?

[BluGenes]

I have not thought in any depth about whether this could actually work in RC, but this idea does cross my mind -

You know how in many programs you can use an eyedropper icon to "pick up" a color from some object, and then a paintcan icon to "pour" the current color onto another object ...

How about being able to "pick up" a rhythm from one phrase and then drop it into another?

Yea, alt-drag.. I always forget about that one.. lol..

[musicdevelopments]

OK, here is an attempt to get a walking bass line from AI. Result seems to be null.

Please always use GPT-4-Turbo (preview) or GPT-4 for phrase generation.
GPT-3.5-Turbo does not make a good job of that. In addition it did not return the notes in the format that I asked for.

[musicdevelopments]

You know how in many programs you can use an eyedropper icon to "pick up" a color from some object, and then a paintcan icon to "pour" the current color onto another object ...

How about being able to "pick up" a rhythm from one phrase and then drop it into another?

You can do that already. Alt-drag any phrase to drag the rhythm only.

[sj1]

OK, here is an attempt to get a walking bass line from AI. Result seems to be null.

Please always use GPT-4-Turbo (preview) or GPT-4 for phrase generation.
GPT-3.5-Turbo does not make a good job of that. In addition it did not return the notes in the format that I asked for.

OK. Good to know.

However, neither of those GPT-4's would return a typical quarter-note walking bassline in response to this:

RC - Bass Query 01.jpg

[sj1]

Hi.

Asked AI for 16 bars of Bass. Asked for 16 bars of drums.
Didn't get 16 bars in either case.

Asked for 16 Bars.jpg

RC - Didn't get 16 bars.jpg

[lovemusic15]

I think when using AI this way, you're always going to get random results that you're probably not happy with. I believe one of the best features we could have with the whole AI thing would be the ability to generate new patterns based on whatever MIDI you import. With a lot of other AI software's, you can input an artist's style that you want a similar baseline or melody to. However, I think that's based on the software being trained on thousands of files related to the artist and style.

The closest thing we've got to that at the moment is MIDI Transformer, but it more randomizes and shuffles the idea rather than generating new ones based on the parameters. Once the rhythm situation has been updated, I was thinking about posting a video to show people how you can use rests and other variation elements to change up a pattern in so many different ways but still get similar results or feel to the original imported MIDI if you want, as long as you have some initial patterns that you like; the inspiration can be endless.

But I think the real game-changer will be when we can turn RC into our own little personal riff machine, where we can basically train our own generators with our own MIDI files that we like from our favorite artists and just have it generate riffs, patterns and chords that we like. It's very similar to what's happening in the audio world of sampling with AI."

[sj1]

Programs like Impro-Visor and Band-in-a-Box can generate their own melodies and solos. This was being done some time before "AI" became all-the-rage.

It's no trivial thing though!

[lovemusic15]

Yeah I understand that I've played around with band in a box but I still prefer RC for simple ideas over BB but if you check out this video this will show you the level that I'm talking about when it comes to generating useful melodies and progressions with this AI you can give it reference of artists and styles even BPM that you want .

[Mykyndryd_]

My two penneth on this one:
Band in a Box is useful for accompaniment and constructing songs and whilst it does have some melody generating capability it's only ever going to be a "suggestive" aid in its current form. BIAB's big card is the realtracks, styles and chordal manipulation.

RC is a different beast. The melody opportunites e.g. Markov are more inspiring and the ability to be able to rearrange the whole piece from a couple of clicks is the leading edge selling point. Also the ability to regenerate clips such as the strings staccato, basslines, arps, piano accomp etc., with just a keypress is amazing.

I'm still trying to work through the AI in RC and, as in most AI music, there will be some right old "Lemons" produced. AI art is different matter as everyone can agree what an Elephant looks like!

[lulukom]

lovemusic15 wrote

I believe one of the best features we could have with the whole AI thing would be the ability to generate new patterns based on whatever MIDI you import.

+1

[lovemusic15]

lulukom thanks for the support