Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!

[Squids]

That would be a different kind of dynamic response.

[putte]

.. hrhrhr, i managed to get 2 people buying AT1 for just one preset it contains ..

[A3ntar]

Got some other interesting info. I think I'll post it in a thread that is less than 238 pages though. (how you find a post in a thread this long is beyond me

Squids, please do share them in this thread! don't worry about us finding the info. You know that most of us that read this thred are genuinly interrested in AT2.

Btw, I got a confirmation as well that AT2 is shipping next week to dealers worldwide. Now, I am not sure how long it will take for people to actually receive it, I am guessing end of month/beginning of april.

[AndrewSimon]

Got some other interesting info. I think I'll post it in a thread that is less than 238 pages though. (how you find a post in a thread this long is beyond me

Squids, please do share them in this thread! don't worry about us finding the info. You know that most of us that read this thred are genuinly interrested in AT2.

Btw, I got a confirmation as well that AT2 is shipping next week to dealers worldwide. Now, I am not sure how long it will take for people to actually receive it, I am guessing end of month/beginning of april.

The *extra info* is posted on the SR forum.
It's about the possible download version.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=9
Now don't jump it's not as great as it sounds and you still need a dongle.

[A3ntar]

Thanks AndrewSimon for the news. Yes, as far as the dongled demo goes, I was actually the first one to hint on that possibility, even before the guys at IKMM decided to. LOL.

You know, I don't mind buying a 20$ key to demo something at 300$, at least if I don't like it, I wouldn't have thrown the 300$ away.

I think we have to accept the fact that dongles will be around more and more, not less and less.

[Hink]

You know, I don't mind buying a 20$ key to demo something at 300$

you don't? Personally I think it's a total outrage...in fact I here people coming up with the lamest reasons not to buy from a company...this is a damn good reason right here...I know I wouldn't pay 20 bux to test drive a car...I wouldn't pay a friggan cover charge to go into a music store...to pay 20 dollars to demo something is absolutely unacceptable and should not be tolerated...it's an absurd precedent to set...and frankly has turned me off of anything from IK...no matter how good...

[A3ntar]

But Hink, think in IKMM place. They want to protect their hard work against piracy. The best way they know of right now, is using a dongle. So if these guys release a demo version that wasn't secure enough and did not use a dongle, then it can be pirated and then what would have been the purpose to put a dongle in in the first place?

The other alternative would be for them to distribute a severly feature limited demo version, so it can't boycott the sales of the retail version.

Maybe they can do both. I think it would be a good alternative to only releasing a dongled demo.

[robogone]

But Hink, think in IKMM place. They want to protect their hard work against piracy.

Fine, not a problem, but find a method that doesn't involve paying to try a demo.

The other alternative would be for them to distribute a severly feature limited demo version, so it can't boycott the sales of the retail version.

But instead they piss off potential buyers by making them pay to use the demo.

Maybe they can do both. I think it would be a good alternative to only releasing a dongled demo.

I don't really care what they're going to do. I was seriously thinking of buying AT2, but I am not going to now. I think they have seriously screwed up and are going to lose a lot of revenue because of this ridiculous dongle fiasco.

[Hink]

sorry...I absolutely draw the line right here...I will not pay to try something out...I assume they apply the money to the final purchase price...but still I can't see paying to be disappointed...which is what that would amount to. If I liked it and bought it, and they applied the 20 bux to my purchase price I would break even....if I tried it and didn't like it then in fact, I would be paying 20 bux just to be disappointed...talk about adding insult to injury...

[Squids]

If you don't buy AT2 because of the USB protection (or any product for that matter that does such as Cubase, Logic, ProTools etc.) that is anyone's option.

Also, no one is MAKING anyone pay to demo something. It is simply an option to have a full demo if you happen to have a key. Since Steinberg, Vienna, IK, Arturia etc. are using this particular key the chances of someone even having one already are greater and greater. The other thing is, more developers are using USB keys. Yellow Tools with Independence (with their Independent key ), Bias and a bunch of other companies that haven't formally announced it yet (but you will see that it will be more and more).

I've made some suggestions to see if it could be possible to have a demo version that doesn't have to have the key. But, it can't be a full working version or that defeats the purpose of having the key (ie. it would be more vulnerable since some people like to unleash demos into illegal full versions... but let's not discuss this activity pls...). Perhaps there will be a special limited version that can be used to demo the product without a key. That would have to be developed especially for that and it isn't going to be available right away. So, if you want AT2 sooner then you could either demo it if you have a syncrosoft key (or want to pick one up if $20 is not the end of the world for you... it isn't for most people I know who make music... the price of a guitar cable?).

Again, it is just an OPTION. Another option is to go demo it in the store for free when it is available. That's certainly what you'd have to do buying most things (like guitars, amps etc.).

One thing we might do on www.esoundz.com just because we cater to every possible complain we can think of is allow people to buy a key from us and apply it as full credit toward the purchase of a product that uses one (such as AT2, CSR or Miroslav Philharmonik). The only problem is we don't carry the key yet. But, I am not opposed to that, especially if it made some people happier about it. However, I know that some people are stuck on it in principal. That's not seeing the big picture in my opinion. Knowing that it has to be protected and that having a demo at all is better than no demo is a key perspective (no pun intended ).

I posted the other info here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=30

I wanted to give a head's up mainly to esoundz customers who bought AT1 for the free upgrade (which was quite a lot!). However, the thing that I was able to get which was a downloadable version so peeps would get it faster actually benefits thousands of AT1 qualifiers who even didn't buy it from esoundz... otherwise they'd have to wait in a long list of people to go through to get the hard copy sent manually snail style.

There's even a few other things I've worked on to lobby for things I know customers would like. But, I don't expect it to be fully appreciated in this thread. By some, sure. However, you can imagine how frustrating it is when you try to work around certain limitations to squeeze out the best outcome you get for people and then they still complain. People find something to complain about no matter what you do. It feels like walking up an escalator the opposite way sometimes. However, I KNOW that it isn't a wasted effort when I do these things. I am here, I listen to you guys (the download thing was even some of YOUR ideas/requests) and then I try to convince whoever I need to so that it is ideal as it can be within reason. I genuinely care enough to do it. No one pays me to spend the time on this stuff. We only make any money off it if you buy it from www.esoundz.com but a lot of what I try to do benefits a lot more people than just esoundz customers.

I know some people get that. Some don't. Some get stuck on things and can't get past them. It's all good. I just know that AT2 is NOT TO MISS for certain people and nothing is going to get in the way of them having this as soon as possible after this long wait! I am with that 100%. I did the best I possibly could to help and I actually think I was effective in this case (which is not always possible). So, I am glad.

[Squids]

sorry...I absolutely draw the line right here...I will not pay to try something out...I assume they apply the money to the final purchase price...but still I can't see paying to be disappointed...which is what that would amount to. If I liked it and bought it, and they applied the 20 bux to my purchase price I would break even....if I tried it and didn't like it then in fact, I would be paying 20 bux just to be disappointed...talk about adding insult to injury...

Right. I agree that you shouldn't buy the key just to demo it if you would be bummed about the $20 if you didn't end up getting it. Although, that key would still be good for demoing a lot of products from different companies. Still could be worth having. I agree that being able to apply it toward the purchase would be a nice one. I don't know how easy that is to administer for IK dealing with tens of thousands of people. However, it is exactly the kind of thing we can do dealing with so many less (but still a lot relatively) on esoundz. So, when we get the key we'll perhaps offer something like this. Maybe even lend you a key dude. Just kidding. Rent a key?

Like I said, it's just an option. I'll tell you who is PSYCHED about this option though... CSR, Miroslav Philharmonik and Cubase users!!! They already HAVE the key. So, it's a no brainer. But, yeah, going to get the key just to demo it is just something you have to be comfortable with. Don't do it if you're not.

It's funny though. I don't know about you but I've spent $20 and more on little things like that all the time. Adapters, cables etc. things I use once and never do again or even some things I think I am going to use but never do! $20. is the price of the Chicken Little DVD I had to pick up for my wife (don't ask... I'm whipped ). So, AT2 jamming sounds like a lot more fun than that!!! Just kidding. But, remember no one is making you do anything. Whent he time and situation is right for you then check out AT2 if you're interested in it. Perhaps even wait to see how people like it too!

The main thing I was trying to do was make it easier for people who already qualify for it to be able to get it faster, that's all. The demoing thing for someone new is totally separate. No reason to be pissed about it IMO. Life's too short! You might LOVE AT2 so don't let a little piece of plastic get in the way of that. Just 2 cents from a Squids.

[Squids]

2 cents that you can apply toward the purchase price.

[Hink]

Also, no one is MAKING anyone pay to demo something. It is simply an option to have a full demo if you happen to have a key. Since Steinberg, Vienna, IK, Arturia and many others are using this particular key the chances of someone even having one already are greater and greater. The other thing is, more developers are using USB keys. Yellow Tools with Independence (with their Independent key ), Bias and a bunch of other companies that haven't formally announced it yet (but you will see that it will be more and more).

well I guess sometimes in life where you have to tolerate the unreasonable...but it's still just plain wrong...I draw no difference between fully functional and partially functional demos...what's next? Trying instruments in stores but paying the salesmen for help?

If it becomes one standard dongle, or say ilok and others also worked, then buying a onetime thing is not that bitter a pill to swallow. But still I think it's a sad trend, sad indeed....one which I can only see supporting the argument people use about warez...you know the ones, they say they use warez to try it out and then they buy it...now more people will use that excuse...I just do not see how this is a good idea at all...I'm really starting to think about going back to hardware more and more...sad times indeed....

[Squids]

Also, no one is MAKING anyone pay to demo something. It is simply an option to have a full demo if you happen to have a key. Since Steinberg, Vienna, IK, Arturia and many others are using this particular key the chances of someone even having one already are greater and greater. The other thing is, more developers are using USB keys. Yellow Tools with Independence (with their Independent key ), Bias and a bunch of other companies that haven't formally announced it yet (but you will see that it will be more and more).

well I guess sometimes in life where you have to tolerate the unreasonable...but it's still just plain wrong...I draw no difference between fully functional and partially functional demos...what's next? Trying instruments in stores but paying the salesmen for help?

If it becomes one standard dongle, or say ilok and others also worked, then buying a onetime thing is not that bitter a pill to swallow. But still I think it's a sad trend, sad indeed....one which I can only see supporting the argument people use about warez...you know the ones, they say they use warez to try it out and then they buy it...now more people will use that excuse...I just do not see how this is a good idea at all...I'm really starting to think about going back to hardware more and more...sad times indeed....

Sometimes we pay for things Hinkarooni. I am going through this thing where we have to pay for estimates to fix hurricane damage for example. But, also, some people pay for things like Apple Care etc.

The typical try before you buy excuse is just BS and people who are of the mind to do that do it anyway. That's just as sad, especially since a lot of people fool themselves on that one and justify it however they want. But, not a good idea to discuss those sensitive things on KVR really... so let's maybe not.

It's funny you are saying you want to go back to hardware. You can't demo that at home either! Hardware is awesome. Nothing like the smell of Tolex in the morning. I'll always have hardware. But, I love my software too. They live together in harmony! I accept the products how they are offered and work around it. We're not going to change the way the industry is going. If you don't get something it is you who is missing out on it (not you specifically but the person not getting it).

If you think that people refusing to get it on this premise actually affects anything in the big picture you'd be wrong. Relatively speaking the amount of people who are against USB keys and don't buy it is GROSSLY outweighed by the amount of people who will end up buying that would have otherwise used a casual copy of their friend's because it is protected with a key. So, not buying it to create any kind of "effective stance" won't do much. I say, buy it or don't buy it for one's OWN reasons. Hey, if you don't need it then don't get it! Save yourself some money. But, how much of these things do we really NEED or do we really just WANT for one reason or another. I know that I like having AT2 for all kinds of uses. If you would too then... you know... everything is relative. Could be worse. Some things require PCI card slots!

[Hink]

Squids it not the 20 bux...tbh with my winfall last fall I have spent a lot in the last 12 months, a lot. It's the audacity of the idea, one which I can't fight...but surely could make a difference in the future when comparing products...it just aint right...

but on the other side of the coin it might not have any effect on me at all...I am serious in saying that I have to really think hard for anything else I want for my DAW or gear......I mean I even got these



Until I get more space I'm done buying for a while anyhow...on my new song the only two things that I had last year that I used in Azimuth was my guitar and my laptop...and both have been modified since last year (went to a gig of ram and put a new pre in my ax)...